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Falhawk 10-15-2020 19:09

Also seriously we cannot bury ngfm wanting the USA to make its own religion. That's a TWHOF post.

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Falhawk 10-15-2020 19:11

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Originally Posted by amRam (Post 19246861)
As a sidebar to the discussion, prayer and other mental exercise can and does cure various illnesses. I suppose the question then is whether the illness it cured was "physical" and what that means in the first place.

Prayer itself does not; however if someone who is fighting an illness has their emotional state lifted by knowing people care (perhaps praying) then it puts the body in a better place to heal.

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Amadeus 10-15-2020 19:11

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Originally Posted by Falhawk (Post 19246867)
I agree with this very much with only adding a 'yet' at the end

Too bad amRam doesn't agree with it. Because he doesn't just stop at "we don't know", he goes on to say "therefore not physical".

Vanster 10-15-2020 19:44

A donkey talked
A man lived in a fish
The sun stood still for a day
A woman was turned into salt
A snake talked
A man rode a tornado into heaven
Hundreds of thousands of animals lived on a 500' boat
Water droplets didn't refract light until that boat landed on a mountain
Plants grew before there was sunlight
Tooting a horn and yelling will cause a city's stone walls to collapse
Zombies wandered around Jerusalem

But anthropogenic climate change, human evolution, and the SARS-CoV-2 causing a pandemic are just a bunch of overhyped bull****.

Go go Tribalwar :lol:

amRam 10-15-2020 19:54

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Originally Posted by Amadeus (Post 19246870)
Too bad amRam doesn't agree with it. Because he doesn't just stop at "we don't know", he goes on to say "therefore not physical".

We'll discover the consciousness molecule? That's some serious faith ya got there... Lol

amRam 10-15-2020 19:55

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Originally Posted by Vanster (Post 19246883)
A donkey talked
A man lived in a fish
The sun stood still for a day
A woman was turned into salt
A snake talked
A man rode a tornado into heaven
Hundreds of thousands of animals lived on a 500' boat
Water droplets didn't refract light until that boat landed on a mountain
Plants grew before there was sunlight
Tooting a horn and yelling will cause a city's stone walls to collapse
Zombies wandered around Jerusalem

But anthropogenic climate change, human evolution, and the SARS-CoV-2 causing a pandemic are just a bunch of overhyped bull****.

Go go Tribalwar [emoji38]

Add this one to your list:

A drunken retard took the bible literally

Amadeus 10-15-2020 20:07

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Originally Posted by amRam (Post 19246888)
We'll discover the consciousness molecule? That's some serious faith ya got there... Lol

Hey look, a strawman.

That's what people who are correct and intellectually honest use, I hear.

amRam 10-15-2020 20:12

Discussions with you always devolve into bull**** semantics and nitpicking words. We've reached a point where you're basically telling me that consciousness is physical. I suppose music and poetry and storytelling are then also physical, like dreams and ideas, insofar as they require a physical body and a physical world to exist in.

Falhawk if you needed a quick crash course in why discussions about religious ideas are fruitless, amapedo summarized it for you succinctly.

Amadeus 10-15-2020 20:23

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Originally Posted by amRam (Post 19246899)
Discussions with you always devolve into bull**** semantics and nitpicking words. We've reached a point where you're basically telling me that consciousness is physical. I suppose music and poetry and storytelling are then also physical, like dreams and ideas, insofar as they require a physical body and a physical world to exist in.

Falhawk if you needed a quick crash course in why discussions about religious ideas are fruitless, amapedo summarized it for you succinctly.

"We don't know how it works" and "it's not physical" are two very different sentences that mean two very different things.

Pretending that this is a minor distinction or nitpicking is not going to make you look better.

You'll also note that I never stated that consciousness is physical. I asked you how you concluded that it isn't, and all you had was god of the gaps.

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Originally Posted by Amadeus (Post 19246749)
If these discussions are a waste of time, it's because people are unwilling to admit that they have no good reason to believe the things they believe, and especially have no good reason to tell others that they should believe the same things.

Thanks for proving my point.

amRam 10-15-2020 20:27

I said it doesn't occupy the space of the physical sciences. Tell me you're not refuting this please....

The fact that consciousness is not physical goes without saying.

Falhawk 10-15-2020 20:31

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Originally Posted by amRam (Post 19246899)

Falhawk if you needed a quick crash course in why discussions about religious ideas are fruitless, amapedo summarized it for you succinctly.

Yeah I'm ignoring his stuff because his whole mo is semantics and words

WORDS MATTER



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Amadeus 10-15-2020 20:41

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Originally Posted by amRam (Post 19246904)
I said it doesn't occupy the space of the physical sciences. Tell me you're not refuting this please....

The fact that consciousness is not physical goes without saying.

To both of those, I ask again: how did you come to that conclusion?

And try not to give me god of the gaps this time.

lemontw 10-15-2020 20:42

ur parents must hate u

Amadeus 10-15-2020 20:43

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Originally Posted by Falhawk (Post 19246905)
Yeah I'm ignoring his stuff because his whole mo is semantics and words

WORDS MATTER



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"The sky is yellow."

"No, the sky is blue."

"SEMANTICS OMFG"

Neolight 10-15-2020 20:44

hey im in this thread

lemontw 10-15-2020 20:45

r dragon religion

amRam 10-15-2020 20:50

Did he really just ask me how I concluded consciousness is not physical? Holy ****.

lemontw 10-15-2020 20:56

consciousness is not physical because there is no consciousness

prove me wrong

Falhawk 10-15-2020 21:04

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Originally Posted by amRam (Post 19246904)
I said it doesn't occupy the space of the physical sciences. Tell me you're not refuting this please....

The fact that consciousness is not physical goes without saying.

Well, and I'm saying this to take his legs out from under him and and also acknowledging that it is an ******* response, consciousness is not a physical understanding yet, but the simple fact that all of our chemical processes are in fact physical means that at some point we might have a clear link.

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lemontw 10-15-2020 21:16

LOL

LGBR 10-15-2020 21:16

lets be real guys you're trying to speak to a dude who has admitted that hes sexually attracted to 5 year olds

lemontw 10-15-2020 21:17

IS THAT A PHYSICAL OR CHEMICAL PROCESS

samUwell 10-15-2020 21:28

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Originally Posted by Amadeus (Post 19246909)
"The sky is yellow."

"No, the sky is blue."

"SEMANTICS OMFG"

Several weeks ago the sky was yellow. Well, it was a dark red for several hours, then it changed to yellow later in the evening.

lemontw 10-15-2020 21:37

it was more an orange/brown here

Edofnor 10-15-2020 21:39

lots of ppl talking 2 a ghost itt

whoas amadeus?

samUwell 10-15-2020 22:04

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Originally Posted by lemontw (Post 19246940)
it was more an orange/brown here

Yeah, that too.

I kept thinking this must be what it would look like on Mars.

amRam 10-15-2020 22:18

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Originally Posted by Falhawk (Post 19246924)
Well, and I'm saying this to take his legs out from under him and and also acknowledging that it is an ******* response, consciousness is not a physical understanding yet, but the simple fact that all of our chemical processes are in fact physical means that at some point we might have a clear link.

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You can stipulate that consciousness is a manifestation of physical processes. Our shared consciousness, our abstractions and ideas and our perception of the reality around us, is not physical.

Humans across all times and civilizations developed remarkably similar belief systems independently of each other. If you don't find that borderline miraculous and worthy of exploring on a philosophical level so be it.

It's certainly by no means proof of some physical deity at all, nor should it be construed as an effort to that goal.

StapleMammal1 10-15-2020 22:47

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Originally Posted by samUwell (Post 19246826)
Seeing as how 90+% of the human species has always lived near the oceans, it makes much more sense that a YUGE ice shelf in Antartica collapsed and the proceeding wave that went around the world engulfed millions of people living on the shoreline. To them, the world flooded, and that was what was written down, either in clay or in stone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Cp7DrvNLQ

NoGodForMe 10-16-2020 00:23

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Originally Posted by Mr Jimmy Pop (Post 19246859)
My parents never really talked about religion much. We did go to church when we were little, did the first communion thing etc. but it was more tradition and what everyone did. So never had them telling us what to believe or not to believe. My parents were more concerned that we behave, work hard and be respectful to others.

Same for me when I was little. The church has been part of the USA all these years. The flaw is the stories of the bible have nothing to do with modern times. They are fairy tale stories, which the pastor uses to show the power of God. They represent a land that has nothing to do with the USA. Yet people go to Church to hear the stories. They tide money and give their time out of guilt. Doesn't stop the riots and violence happening today. So what good does preaching stories from 2k years ago matter? Oh, it's a test, a challenge from god, his way. Right.

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Originally Posted by Falhawk (Post 19246868)
Also seriously we cannot bury ngfm wanting the USA to make its own religion. That's a TWHOF post.

Thanks. I can take it one step further. There are religions started in the USA, but most are whacked, jokes, or cults.
List of religious movements that began in the United States - Wikipedia
Look at the religions of the 21st Century, they are jokes. Needs to be a new book that teaches common sense, morals, and history of the USA so kids follow it.

LawnDart 10-16-2020 00:26

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Originally Posted by Falhawk (Post 19246281)
Got you to reply

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ok ender

Amadeus 10-16-2020 16:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by amRam (Post 19246918)
Did he really just ask me how I concluded consciousness is not physical? Holy ****.

Yes, and I cannot help but notice that you're avoiding to answer.

I wonder why that is. :Hmm:

amRam 10-16-2020 17:29

I'm avoiding the incredibly retarded kid asking horribly stupid questions that's all...

lemontw 10-16-2020 17:33

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Originally Posted by Amadeus (Post 19247321)
Yes, and I cannot help but notice that you're avoiding to answer.

I wonder why that is. :Hmm:

nice self portrait lmfao

amRam 10-16-2020 17:36

Meth

Not even once

Amadeus 10-16-2020 18:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by amRam (Post 19247344)
I'm avoiding the incredibly retarded kid asking horribly stupid questions that's all...

The only thing I asked you is to explain why you believe the things you say.

That you find this a stupid question shows how little you care about truth. Once again,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amadeus (Post 19246749)
If these discussions are a waste of time, it's because people are unwilling to admit that they have no good reason to believe the things they believe, and especially have no good reason to tell others that they should believe the same things.

Thanks for proving my point.

amRam 10-16-2020 18:05

Meth


Maybe he did, once or twice.......

uno 10-16-2020 19:04

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Originally Posted by Mitchdubai (Post 19246370)
Religious people are weak. The worst people on earth. People like Tehvul who have spent 40 years being deplorable scumbags and then get religious because they think it's gonna save them are the weakest ****s in existence but they think they're strong. Face up to who you are.

Ricky Gervais said it best when asked what he thinks happens when he dies - "same thing that happened for the 13 billion years before I was born, life just carries on without me in it".

He was paraphrasing mark twain. But you are an idiot and think ricky gervais could have such an epiphany.

Pagy 10-16-2020 19:05

hey guyz whats worse

an uneducated alcoholic beating and choking women

-or-

believing in fairy tales

uno 10-16-2020 19:19

God damn the paedo us annoying as ****

Dr Dance 10-16-2020 23:43

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Originally Posted by Falhawk (Post 19246817)
I really didn't mean to come into this thread to make fun, but rather have discussion...

But that ngfm post is goddamn gold right there

THE USA NEEDS THEIR OWN RELIGION. NO MORE FOREIGN ****S!



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The US actually DOES have their own religion.

It's called secular humanism.

(But one could still argue that this isnt uniquely a USA thing.)


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