Originally Posted by StapleMammal1 (Post 19246552)

2. The Earth was flooded. Half ass study geology and that fact becomes crystal clear. Of course putting every animal would not work. What would work is ---.

Originally Posted by amRam (Post 19246779)

You said we have discovered methods for reliably deciding what is true and what isn't and that they demonstrably work, and they repeatedly fail to confirm religious belief.

How do they fail to confirm something we know has existed since the dawn of man?

Originally Posted by NoGodForMe (Post 19246734)

Interesting when you look at the Wiki to see what religions are the most popular.
Major religious groups - Wikipedia
The problem is Christianity is based on Abrahamic religions, which has now been taken over by Islam in the middle east. So why do people in the USA care about an Abrahamic religion?
Major religious groups Map
North and South America need their own religion.

This is why the USA needs a new bible, even if our country is only 244 years old. It actually started in 1492 with Christopher Columbus. That's 528 years. There has to be a God. But we don't have to worship stories form 2k years ago just because there is Jesus Christ who died on the cross. Or Muslims who believe in Mohamed. This is what causes wars. If you don't believe in their religion, they want you dead or they guilt you into following.

The USA won't be remembered in religious history, because we had nothing to do with the bible. Need to start our own. Can still have god, but the stories of our country and being good need to revolve around the USA. I'm sure many of the stories in the bible happened, but a lot of them are like a super powers movie and I don't believe them, especially the beginning of how humans and the earth were made, the ark, the flood, and so on. Needs to be re-written based on modern times.

Originally Posted by Amadeus (Post 19246813)

They fail to confirm the truth of religious belief. I.e. by the same methods that give us reason to believe that your computer will work and your car will start, we have no reason to believe that any religious claims are true.



Also you forgot to answer my question.

Originally Posted by Amadeus (Post 19246806)

Here's 2.5 hours of material on how 8 different branches of science (geology included) independently disprove a global flood:

How Meteorology Disproves Noahs Flood - YouTube

Originally Posted by amRam (Post 19246822)

They fail to confirm the scientific truth of religious beliefs which is completely antithetical to religious beliefs in the first place. It has nothing to do with the physical world. Attempting to disprove "god" with science is as stupid as having fundamentalist belief of the old testament.

Originally Posted by Amadeus (Post 19246777)

For over 300,000 years, people thought that illnesses are caused by curses and demons, and can be cured by prayer. Is it arrogant to say they've been wrong all that time?

Originally Posted by Amadeus (Post 19246827)

And if your definition of religious belief is "belief in something that is by definition impossible to demonstrate and has no effect on the real world", then what reason is there to have any such beliefs?

Originally Posted by amRam (Post 19246829)

That's not my definition at all. Religious belief quite obviously manifests itself in the physical world with great effect. What reason is there to have any such belief is then the critical question.

And I haven't answered your dumb question because its meaningless. Physical illness has physical causes, science found that out. Unless science has now also found the "anti-God" particle the line of questioning is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Amadeus (Post 19246834)

Ok, so tell me. What reason is there to believe that anything other than the physical world exists? Warning, "you don't know that it doesn't" isn't good enough.

Originally Posted by amRam (Post 19246835)

Your consciousness doesn't exist? The way you create abstractions in your mind about your existence in the physical world doesn't exist?

You're stuck on the physical. That's the issue with most atheists and why I'll have no part of it.

Originally Posted by Amadeus (Post 19246840)

What makes you say that? How did you determine that your consciousness is not purely a product of physical processes?

Originally Posted by amRam (Post 19246851)

C'mon dude don't be silly. Unless you're about to show me consciousness on the table of elements, or its molecular compound, this conversation is taking a wrong turn.

Originally Posted by Amadeus (Post 19246854)

Did I not tell you that "you don't know that it isn't" is not a good enough answer?



We don't know how consciousness works. That doesn't mean it's supernatural any more than us not knowing what caused illnesses made illnesses supernatural.

Originally Posted by Falhawk (Post 19246593)

I do think it is interesting what people believe and why. Is it because of where and when they were born? Were they just raised that way? Did they find something later in life that just made sense to them?

The use of religion as a form of control over the masses is also interesting.

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Originally Posted by amRam (Post 19246855)

I'm cool with stopping at "we don't know how it works"

The next step doesn't have to automatically be that it's supernatural, but we should agree that at least for now, it's not something that occupies the space of physical sciences.

Originally Posted by amRam (Post 19246855)

I'm cool with stopping at "we don't know how it works"