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JoMo 01-07-2009 18:24

Fortress Changes
 
Greetings!

The epic battle between the forces of Order and Destruction rages on across the lands. Dark Elf against High Elf, Dwarfs pitted against their age old enemy the Greenskins, and the upstart Humans of Order wage a bitter battle against the Forces of Chaos.

Sometimes epic warfare is halted by the powerful forces of server instability. The Mythic team is fighting a WAR of our own against these Fortress Siege stability issues and is now prepared to take the next step towards the long-term goal of providing our players with a truly epic Tier 4 Campaign. We will be implementing more improvements in the coming weeks however this initial change will allow more players to experience the Tier 4 campaign to its fullest.

Players on the Phoenix Throne, Dark Crag, Vortex, and Darklands servers (with a planned deployment to all live servers to follow in the coming days) will immediately notice a change to the way that the Tier 4 Racial Pairing Fortress sieges function. We will be implementing a hard cap on the total number of players that are able to occupy the Fortress area during a siege. The purpose of this change is twofold: to improve server stability, and allow even more players to participate in, and benefit from, capital city sieges.

When the Fortress population reaches certain population thresholds, players who are attempting to enter the area of the besieged Fortress that are Rank 35 and below will be teleported to the warcamp for the region they are in. When the next area population threshold has been met, players that are Rank 37 and below will be teleported to the warcamp. The final population threshold applies to players that are Rank 39 and below. Once the total population cap has been met for the area surrounding the Fortress, all players that attempt to enter the area will be teleported back to the regionís warcamp.

Itís very important to note that the majority our playersí Fortress siege experience should not be noticeably affected by this change. Hundreds of players will still be able to participate in taking the Fortress from their enemies. This measure will help to ensure that players are able to experience these epic battles in a more reliable manner.

Because of the strategic advantage that players will always have when defending a Keep, the attacking forces will have a numeric advantage when attempting to wrest control of a Keep from the opposing realm.

So get out there, lay waste to your enemies, drive their forces before you on the field of battle and be sure to choose your allies wisely.

Lord Elessar 01-07-2009 21:28

well they had to do something. I guess that's an ok bandaid until they can get better hardware or think of something else.

Rayn 01-08-2009 10:41

wowwwww are you ****ing kidding me? nice to know i am going to get kicked out of orvr for the forseeable future.

Flowen 01-08-2009 11:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rayn (Post 14139162)
wowwwww are you ****ing kidding me? nice to know i am going to get kicked out of orvr for the forseeable future.

stop being a scrub then you ****ing waste of space

Slobax 01-08-2009 12:34

doesn't seem like that big of a deal - good fix imo

JoMo 01-08-2009 12:55

Except everyone under 40 will be hiding in a corner on the far side of the Fortress so they don't die and get teleported out.

Daemon 01-08-2009 13:13

umm

they already have successful fortress raids on dc all the time

soo why are they getting this first..?

On the surface it looks okay to me, not really optimal, but it's a start. Really, if you can't do the encounter at all due to crashes, then the problems with the encounter itself don't matter as much. Knowing Mythic, this will probably not work as intended, however.

You can't use the loot anyway below level 40, so this might encourage people barred from the encounter into doing something useful, like blockading the enemy warcamp, instead of hanging around hoping for drops. I've never been to a successful fort raid, but i'd be pissed if some level 34 got a conqueror drop =P

Rayn 01-08-2009 13:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flowen (Post 14139225)
stop being a scrub then you ****ing waste of space

what does 'being a scrub' imply? I level in orvr, it's not my fault they have me at level 32 with level 40s.

Flowen 01-08-2009 13:21

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Originally Posted by Rayn (Post 14139693)
what does 'being a scrub' imply? I level in orvr, it's not my fault they have me at level 32 with level 40s.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flowen (Post 14139225)
waste of space



?

Rayn 01-08-2009 13:28

how did you level from 32 to 40? pve is for fags.

Flowen 01-08-2009 13:54

I grinded PQ's and did scenarios, went from 32 to 40 in like 3 days lol

Rayn 01-08-2009 13:55

**** PQs and scenarios, I don't play a game to do boring ****. I also don't grind out 8 levels in 3 days, that is way too much computer time for me.

Flowen 01-08-2009 14:46

thats like 4 hours of gameplay a day

Rayn 01-08-2009 14:50

4 hours on a computer game a day is a ****ton to me. that would be 25% of my waking hours. no thanks I have a life.

Maven 01-08-2009 14:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daemon (Post 14139668)
umm

they already have successful fortress raids on dc all the time

soo why are they getting this first..?

On the surface it looks okay to me, not really optimal, but it's a start. Really, if you can't do the encounter at all due to crashes, then the problems with the encounter itself don't matter as much. Knowing Mythic, this will probably not work as intended, however.

You can't use the loot anyway below level 40, so this might encourage people barred from the encounter into doing something useful, like blockading the enemy warcamp, instead of hanging around hoping for drops. I've never been to a successful fort raid, but i'd be pissed if some level 34 got a conqueror drop =P


Its only successful at 2 am when everyone is asleep and order cant stock pile level 20s in the fortress to crash it when we take it.
So no its not successful if everytime we attempt to take it in prime time it crashes 3 times till the counter expires.
Im all for it and if your not 40 STFU and grind it out it doesnt take long

Rayn 01-08-2009 17:29

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Originally Posted by Maven (Post 14140080)
if your not 40 STFU and grind it out it doesnt take long

i only play to orvr, so if I find I have a hard time doing that, I'll just stop playing it's no big deal. I'm sure as hell not going to waste my time playing a game to do things that aren't fun that is kind of the exact opposite of why you play games.

maybe they should offer >31 and <40 orvr content. I don't know why they have end game players in the same tier as players as low as 28 anyway, makes no sense. I didn't go to T4 until I absolutely had to because there was nothing else open to me. It seems like it sucks so far anyway so no big loss.

JoMo 01-08-2009 20:53

The fortress idea is a horrible idea anyway. It all comes down to a 5 foot wide ramp. They should have thought that out better.

Dai Shinzo 01-08-2009 23:51

Fort attempt today.

First I get there moments after they lock the zone. Go to get in and get warped back to our WC due to over crowding. This is on a level 40 char during a defense literally less than 60 seconds from when zone flipped.

I run back again and get in and start killing people. Getting mad renown because no one is helping and they are just trying to push to the lord room so everyone is just giving me free kills but of course I get ported back to the WC due to over crowding in the middle of a damn fight.

Run back and get in again. Crash to char select and ported. Run in again and I'm ported. So I stopped and ran around looking for people.

Luckily there were tons of people to **** that were trying to get to the zone in and one of my guild healers came out and we proceeded to soak up a ton of renown.

I hate the system but it does force skirmishes from all the people having to run back and the ones getting ported. Also it was still laggy at the fort despite whatever relatively low number of people were there.

I hate it still.

Madend 01-09-2009 00:38

actually i was on the attacking side of that fight. right after we flipped the zone we rushed the fort and were ahead of most of the defenders, got the 2 doors down fairly quickly. dest got a good number of defenders around us into the keep though so it took us a while to get up into the lord's room. we did push into there eventually, but the lord wiped us pretty quickly, not enough tank-healer communication. happened at least one more time after that

my bw is just lvl 39 but i never had a problem getting ported out of the fight at all, even after i had to release when we wiped i got back in just fine. ultimately we didn't get the lord down but it was a pretty fun fight anyhow from my perspective

Pagy 01-09-2009 02:01

does anything encourage the defending faction to... defend?

Madend 01-09-2009 02:32

well if you get 2 fortresses lost then your city can be invaded, and that results in losing between 1 and 4 ranks from your city depending on how far the invaders get, and that can close instances, PQs, guild area, etc

Daemon 01-09-2009 11:37

you get huge defensive renown and inf bonuses now

Waidan 01-09-2009 13:36

It's probably too late to implement something like this, but it would have made sense to do a 5th Tier - Lvl 40 only. Limiting or excluding people from participating in events in their own tier doesn't seem like a good long term solution (though it'll likely improve things in the short term)

Rayn 01-09-2009 15:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waidan (Post 14144218)
It's probably too late to implement something like this, but it would have made sense to do a 5th Tier - Lvl 40 only. Limiting or excluding people from participating in events in their own tier doesn't seem like a good long term solution (though it'll likely improve things in the short term)

this is really the best option imo but i don't think it'll ever happen now.

Maven 01-09-2009 16:55

The crowding isnt a big deal accept on the really loaded population servers.
We invaded altdorf last night on DC no crashing or wipes. Got 5k renown bonus for flipping the fortress's...was a ton of fun.

JoMo 01-09-2009 16:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maven (Post 14144901)
The crowding isnt a big deal accept on the really loaded population servers.
We invaded altdorf last night on DC no crashing or wipes. Got 5k renown bonus for flipping the fortress's...was a ton of fun.

Isn't DC and PT like the 2 biggest RvR servers?

Dai Shinzo 01-09-2009 21:18

DC has also had tons of upgrades on hardware. It also loses tons of order every month as more and more guilds get frustrated and quit. Apollo/Uprising quit last night there and they were some of the higher guilds.

Destro can practically walk into their forts without resistance.

Maven 01-12-2009 15:04

Actually the ruin guild just joined and is leveling up on the order side this easily a 100 + members.

about 5-8 WB of order got all the way to the fortress last night and were halted by a better force of destruction. By they rolled there way across all night

Order is doing fine on DC just the crappy guilds leave.


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