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Fool 11-21-2016 10:55

https://i.sli.mg/yyxM5O.jpg

Vir 11-21-2016 11:10

obama should have been passing free prozac laws for 8 years

Fool 11-21-2016 11:12

Bikers for Trump have confirmed they'll be at the inauguration, will be curious to see how many rioters turn up to protest.

bam 11-21-2016 11:39

I figured it was quite apparent we are heading into another recession.

JoMo 11-21-2016 12:09

Good news everyone! Kayne West has cancelled his concert tour after saying he would have voted for Trump. Trump wins again!

Making music great again!

"Kanye West cancels remaining 21 dates in Saint Pablo tour, representative confirms - Pitchfork"

"Promoter Live Nation confirms remaining Kanye West tour dates cancelled, says 'refunds are being processed automatically' "

Vir 11-21-2016 12:10

imma let you finish hillary

phaytal 11-21-2016 12:20

ITT people that forgot that their premiums have gone up every year for, well, forever.

National average premium increases prior to ACA:

7.0% in 2000
8.6% in 2001
8.0% in 2002
8.0% in 2003
6.9% in 2004
6.0% in 2005
5.2% in 2006
5.2% in 2007
5.4% in 2008
3.3% in 2009
2.5% in 2010

bam 11-21-2016 12:27

ACA was sold to a lot of people as a means of decreasing premiums. I guess you want to be a trite person, but whatever.

havax 11-21-2016 12:36

anyone who would pay for a kanye west ticket is so ****ing dumb that they really don't deserve their money back. that, and they are probably on welfare/ebt. just give the money back to the taxpayers.

Fool 11-21-2016 12:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by phaytal (Post 18677351)
ITT people that forgot that their premiums have gone up every year for, well, forever.

National average premium increases prior to ACA:

7.0% in 2000
8.6% in 2001
8.0% in 2002
8.0% in 2003
6.9% in 2004
6.0% in 2005
5.2% in 2006
5.2% in 2007
5.4% in 2008
3.3% in 2009
2.5% in 2010


So these numbers, which are sequentially decreasing for the most part, somehow justifies 25-50% increases per year to you?

JoMo 11-21-2016 12:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by phaytal (Post 18677351)
ITT people that forgot that their premiums have gone up every year for, well, forever.

National average premium increases prior to ACA:

7.0% in 2000
8.6% in 2001
8.0% in 2002
8.0% in 2003
6.9% in 2004
6.0% in 2005
5.2% in 2006
5.2% in 2007
5.4% in 2008
3.3% in 2009
2.5% in 2010

So right before the ACA, premium increases were slowing down? ACA caused premium increases to rise drastically... ACA was bad for Americans.

[MD5]Hash 11-21-2016 12:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoGodForMe (Post 18677318)
My health insurance is going up, and we're changing from BCBS to Continental (Aetna). Thanks Obama.
Old rate - $373 or $8,952 yearly
New rate - $464.95 or 11,158.8 yearly 3k deductible for family.
So much for health insurance being less than $2,400. That is for Laurie and myself. I'm sure we'll see posts from others with the same thing.

I straight up had my health insurance taken from me when my employer, who for all intents and purposes provided me with excellent health insurance, was forced to drop their entire part time worker base when the new government regulations on what constituted the governmental prescribed definition of 'health insurance' wasn't met.

January first of the year that that **** went into law I was dropped and forced to go to a, how many millions did they spend on that Healthcare.gov website back then? 30 million, 60 million, more? Which didn't work, and I must have created something like 15 accounts on the site (when the process failed the account name was registered but wouldn't allow you to access the sight from that user account, so you had to make a new one), just to SEE what I was being offered under Obamacare.

Turns out I was being asked to pay something like $500 a month, which I was paying somewhere around $100 for my previous insurance out of each paycheck, and that was for the "Bronze Plan", which had me somewhere around a $2500 deductible on pretty much everything.

At which point, unless something catastrophic happened, which thankfully didn't, I might just as well pay out of pocket, because I couldn't afford what was being offered. Unless I was cool with eating nothing but canned catfood and top ramen for the rest of my ****ing life. So I said **** it, and didn't sign up.

Then they started charging me an annual fee because I wasn't paying for the insurance.

And the quality of offerings has declined year after year in the wake of this ****.


This is the kind of **** that happens when the government tries and strong-arm an entire industry to their will. It does nothing good for anyone. Employers can't offer it, so they won't, and the only groups that are offering it are offering it at prices that no reasonable person can afford, and it leaves millions upon millions of working Americans who are just barely getting by to pay more into a system that offers little to nothing in return.

Even in countries where government run healthcare is the norm it's so ****ing obvious how downtrodden the people are in the wake of it. The taxes in countries that do this **** are un****ingreal. One of the strengths of America has always been it's ability to allow free markets to riddle this **** out. Yeah, it's not a perfect system, it's a persistent work in progress, but when it's left to do what it does best, it finds solutions that eventually pan out for everyone.

And everyone that points out the fact that these CEOs make millions of dollars - honestly, who gives a ****. If the Walmart CEO makes 20 million annually as his salary, and you say, "But that money should go to the hard working employees!" - okay, great, Walmart has somewhere around 2.1 million employees, if you took that 20 million and gave it away to all the employees and paid this guy literally nothing for what he does, then you just gave every Walmart employee an ANNUAL pay increase of $9.52. Congratulations, you helped no one.

cogzinofa 11-21-2016 13:10

When your employer dropped your insurance did they give you a raise?

Because if they didn't they basically used aca as an excuse to give you a pay cut.

Kerosene31 11-21-2016 13:14

Most of Trump's so-called policies on things are a joke, but his simple solution on health care actually makes a lot of sense. Remove employers from the picture and open up competition over state lines. It won't solve every problem, but it will sure help to keep premiums under control.

Good luck getting this through congress though.

havax 11-21-2016 13:15

why does congress hate america?

JudgeU 11-21-2016 13:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by phaytal (Post 18677351)
ITT people that forgot that their premiums have gone up every year for, well, forever.

National average premium increases prior to ACA:

7.0% in 2000
8.6% in 2001
8.0% in 2002
8.0% in 2003
6.9% in 2004
6.0% in 2005
5.2% in 2006
5.2% in 2007
5.4% in 2008
3.3% in 2009
2.5% in 2010

I'm on a water district board where we offer the employees health insurance. Last year it rose 10%, this year we just budgeted a 13% increase (for the cheapest option).

That's a 23% increase in 2 years. Think about it.

The reason you're hearing so much about it now, is because the law was drafted to be paid for in stages like this to try to mask the backlash. The whole, 'easy a frog into boiling water' thing.

MadHatSam 11-21-2016 13:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerosene31 (Post 18677368)
Most of Trump's so-called policies on things are a joke, but his simple solution on health care actually makes a lot of sense. Remove employers from the picture and open up competition over state lines. It won't solve every problem, but it will sure help to keep premiums under control.

Good luck getting this through congress though.

The big problem with interstate plans is either you lower the state mandates to whatever the cheapest out of state premium offered is, so you gut the level of coverage to lower costs.

Or you have out of state providers build new networks that meet current state mandated coverage which would likely not result in significant premium relief.

The interstate insurance networks aren't the panacea they are often promised as.

T-Dawg 11-21-2016 14:48

Pre existing conditions are the whole reason premiums are skyrocketing. All you need is one leukemia patient ($3,000,000) to upend the whole pool. That sick person can join and their premium is a fraction of what they know their healthcare will cost.

Now imagine thousands or a million very sick people join your insurance marketplace.

Trump can't repeal that turd fast enough.

DMAUL 11-21-2016 15:41

single payer system to negotiate lower costs

HaPpY 11-21-2016 15:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoMo (Post 18677254)
If you don't vote for the woman, you're a sexist, you French pigs!

you know thatd be an excellent strategy in future elections. get a female+nonwhite+gay+etc to run against the dems. theyll have 0 amunitition against that and itd win every time... its not like the actual person who wins matters anyway, since theyre just a puppet, so long as the dems dont win and the puppetmasters are good folks.

fk man i should be a campaign strategist or something


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