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Do you agree with my definition of a gorilla?

Oh cool another discussion about definitions of words

Didn't see that coming

yes of coarse

science arrives at true statements about our shared reality without fail

roll eyes etc

now on paperview

Dang, GG.

You win dude.

You typing out the definition of science really did me in...

I now realize what you were ranting about. I didn't realize because I kinda started tuning out. Your communication is becoming less and less interesting.

You claim science to be the complete totality of the ascertainment of truth.

It is not.

Everyone knows that there are things that exist that cannot be yet measured.

Science is by defintion:

1) the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

or

2) a systematically organized body of knowledge on a particular subject.

The word "totality" is nowhere in sight in either of these definitions...

You are welcome to have your own strange unique definition of the word, but nobody would agree with you.

Any scientist will tell you that there are truths about the universe that cannot be measured or observed.

Quantum physics is another subject that delves into the unmeasurable and unobservable.

If you think that science is the only way to ascertain truth, than you wouldn't believe anything that your friends ever told you. You would also argue that testimony should not be used in a court of law, which I doubt you do.

You have no consistency in your position at all.

You also proved my point all along on the victory mentality stuff... I'm right about everything else as well.

Well said PK truth

It is for people for whom science is their religion.

amadeus has been - for years now - trying to twist what science is in order to normalize his pedophilia

The Jewish god is what Christians call the devil. Jews have high number of genetic defects because they are terribly inbred. Sam Harris is Jewish.

You obviously don't know the definition of 'theory' in a scientific context, you should probably learn that before you start trying to educate everyone :harambe:

It's interesting when viewing the top religions in a chart.
The Big Religion Chart - ReligionFacts
and here
Most Popular World Religions

3 religions are Abrahamic and believe in one god.
Jews only have 14 million followers in Judaism compared to 2.2 billion Christians.
Muslims believe in one God, same for Christians, it's just that Mohamed was born in 570 AD. So they did what the USA should do. They said, we're going to follow our own religion. It's just that Islam is brutal with over 100 statements telling their followers to kill those who don't believe, and their practices are whacked. Most American's don't want to follow that ****.

The joke with Christianity is if you are aware of it, but don't say you accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior, then you're going to hell and won't get into heaven. What happens to all those people who are not aware of this, or know but believe in something else? Do they go to hell? The problem with Christianity is when you say that prayer, you are giving your life over to the church. Same thing with Islam and other religions. That's a cult and it's dangerous.

In summary, there's one mighty God for most religions. Three of the top 6 are based in Jerusalem, 3 are based in India. For the USA, it's a waste of time to read stories that happened in Jerusalem 2k years ago, yet that's what people do every Sunday, because they think they're going to hell if they don't.

We totally need a US religion.

Get on the ngfm

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Mohammed was a caravan raider who married a six-year-old girl. Muslims had a bunch of different gods back then. Mohammed wanted a way to bring the different tribes together. He was staying in a cave one day and had him, probably, an epileptic fit (seizure) during this episode a so-called called angel-of-light showed up in a "vision" and laid out the current Islamic faith. He chose the moon god allah out of all the other gods to make him the one. It works for the Jewish/Christian population.

That way, he can cut down on all the different warring factions who followed different gods and consolidate his power.

This guy would get bored and spend a day digging a trench, line up all the infidels he came across that wouldn't convert to his new religion, and cut their heads off filling up the trench with blood by the end of the day.

Man, I read that book a long time ago in a College library while writing a British Lit II paper. The religion of peace. mmmk.

Every religion has been perverted by people who want more power

If people acknowledge tat, why do they choose to still follow their respective religion?

Around Christmas time churches will put up signs "Jesus is the reason for the season" yet nearly all Christmas traditions came from pagans (thanks Constantine)

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Really? Cus last time I checked facts were called facts, and theories were called theories.

What Is a Scientific Theory? | Definition of Theory | Live Science.

"Any scientific theory must be based on a careful and rational examination of the facts. Facts and theories are two different things. In the scientific method, there is a clear distinction between facts, which can be observed and/or measured, and theories, which are scientists' explanations and interpretations of the facts."

Definition of "theory":
a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.

And if you were curious, the definition of a "supposition":
an uncertain belief.

When was the last time you heard someone say "I believe in the theory of a round Earth"? This has moved into the category of being a scientific fact.

I cannot disagree with that.

Easter (fertility god worship, everyone knows bunnies **** and multiply like crazy), Christmas (Let's throw a tree up and worship around it giving each other cool gifts, fun for the kids) - made into Pagan holidays, the old worship of Baal and Molech. Throw some babies in the fire, while the priest made a lot of noise to drown out the screams so the parents wouldn't freak the hell out and back out of the whole sacrifice ordeal.

Yeah, the holidays were perverted along the way.

Because humans are pack animals and we need social circles and communities to survive properly in the world.

"The Church" may be a corrupt organization at the top but down at the community level it's almost always a positive thing for its members.

At the end of the day it's a congregation of like-minded individuals who share the same beliefs. Not sure why that needs to be **** on.

That is a great question surrounded by intelligent and accurate observations.

That's a good way to look at it.

The Church is different things to different people (religions), generally a body of people. Some people that have no faith look at it as a brick building down the street.

People that have faith say for Christians or Jews is the figurative body of Christ. Jesus being the head, the Jews being are the chosen people according to the Bible and the saved Gentiles (Christians) were grafted on later. God apparently put the Jews on hold for not following the rules, you know, work the land for 6 years and then let it rest a year. That year was designated a year of rest, forgive debts, yada yada.

Jews didn't do it, so in Godly fashion, God said you know what, I'm putting you in time out for 7x70 years, 490 right?. While your being ****heads (disobedient kids) I am going to take another people out of the Gentiles and call them by my name. I'll get back to you at the end and we will settle up. Your still my peeps, but if you do the crime, you have to do the time.

That's the way I understand it at least.

I didn't. Read again.

It's the totality of methods and tools that we have so far found reliable for ascertaining truth.

Agree?

Good thing the very definition you quoted says "a supposition OR a system of ideas". Scientific theories being the latter.

There's also a theory of gravity. And the germ theory of disease.

As a matter of fact, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I bang rocks together to determine distance like sonar. Does that count?

There is a large difference between an "idea" and a "fact."

If you were to have the idea that your own home was a giant three-legged hippopotamus, that idea would likely not be factual.

Are you arguing that a theory is a proven fact?

I will wager that you will not commit to this claim in your next reply.

Of course not.

No.

There are observed facts. Then there are the abstract systems of ideas that we use to explain those facts, and predict what the future facts in similar situations will be. The latter is what science calls a "theory".

It is an observed fact that when you drop something while standing on the Earth, it falls down. We call the cause of that phenomenon gravity. Then there is the theory of gravity, which describes the mechanics of that phenomenon, and we can use that theory to accurately predict what will happen when you drop things in the future.

It is an observed fact that germs exist and that diseases exist. Then there is the germ theory of disease that describes how all that works, which we can use to accurately predict things.



And in the same way, evolution (which I dare you to define without looking up, because I'm 100% sure you'll get it wrong) is an observed fact. Then there is the theory of evolution, which explains how evolution works, and which we can and have used to make accurate predictions.

Well congratulations, then you're wrong about what science is. Because it's that. By definition.

Then we do not disagree, so why you typing so much?

I agree on all the above points, 'cept that I believe that phenomenon is referred to as "the law of gravitation" but that is small apples, I would never correct anyone just calling it gravity.

lol "I dare you to define without looking it up" more awkward victory mentality stuffs.

I have no need to lookup the word evolution dude. Nor do I need to google what a spoon is.

Adaptation is an observed fact, not evolution.

No, it isn't.

No scientist that I know would claim that personal testimony is scientific.

If you knew what evolution is, you would not be here trying to deny that it's observed fact.

That's how I know you don't know what evolution is.

I'm glad we have an expert on evolution here, because I have many questions I have always wanted to ask one:

Since evolution is a scientific fact, as you say, meaning it is measurable and observable...


1) "Can you give a relatively accurate approximation of fast things evolve?"

i.e. 1 new species forming over the course of 10 million years, etc.
(Please provide units of measurement towards this measurable scientific fact.)


2) "Does evolution move at a constant rate, or does it fluctuate massively and why is that the case?"


3) "How does DNA mutate to provide completely new information that allows the animal to have entirely new traits and what brings this new information into existence?"


4) "What is the driving catalyst or energy force behind evolution that causes these constant mutations in an animal's DNA?"


5) "If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkey's?


Thanks Amadeus, I am excited to learn about the measurable and observable factual basis of evolution from a real expert like you.

And the fact that every one of those is a strawman, as is pretty much everything else you've said in this thread, is how I know that you lied about caring about the truth of your statements.


So once again, thanks for proving correct my very first post: that if these discussions are a waste of time, it's because of people not caring about truth and trying to prop up their ignorance as some kind of moral superiority.

Amadeus communication:

A) It is a fact that a three legged boogy monster exists!

B) Really? How fast does it move? How tall is it?

A) Total strawman! I don't have to answer! I know you lied about caring! You only proved the boogy monster actually exists by asking me questions about it.



Normal scientific fact communication:

A) It is a fact that cars exist.

B) Really? How fast do they move? How large are they?

A) About 100 miles per hour. Very roughly the size of a large grizzly bear.



If evolution were scientific fact, answering any of the above questions I listed would be relatively effortless, especially the first question.

You claim to be a man of investigation and science. Yet me asking very basic and simple investigatory questions about your proposed scientific fact is utterly rejected and ad hominem attacks are thrown against me for attempting to validate your claims. How awfully unscientific of you...

You say that evolution is a measurable scientific fact.

I repeat, how fast do animals evolve? Please provide units of measurement for this simple measurable scientific fact.

I believe I am quoting you exactly when you said:

"The truth is never afraid of investigation." -Amadeus

You have entirely wrong ideas about what science is and what its claims are. The questions you ask are either about strawmen that science does not posit, or high school level basic stuff that 2 minutes on Google could tell you.

If you really cared about the truth of your statements, then you would not feel the need to be asking them. You would have found out for yourself.

But you don't care about truth, so I'm not gonna waste my time.

Keep posturing if you want. You've made a big enough clown of yourself in this thread already.

aw shut the hell up, you ****ing pedophile

This.

Dude loves to just argue semantics

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Oh really? Science doesn't posit how fast things go, measure them, observe them, and test them? But you said:

I see, you could answer any one of those questions about evolution super easily if you wanted, but you just choose not to. Makes sense.

I know how you feel, because I have wings and I can fly, but I just choose not to do it in front of other people because I don't wanna brag or anything...



"What physical evidence is there of God?" -Amadeus

"What would a direct experience with God be like?" -Amadeus

Also Amadeus:

Self-incrimination approaching max level.

Why would you suggest that questions, investigation, scrutiny, and testing if things hold up is for people that do not care about truth?

After you leave, I may never find another high level expert on evolution ever again, so I'll ask again:

How fast do things evolve? Is the rate constant or does it fluctuate?

"The truth is never afraid of investigation." -Amadeus

It would seem that this high level expert cannot answer any basic questions on the topic.

If it makes you a clown to investigate a claim and ask basic questions about it, then all scientists are clowns, and I will happily remain a clown all my life.

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