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Pagy 03-15-2011 11:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by [Golbez-RG-] (Post 16275543)
So where are all the people to assure us that with a loss of containment there won't have any mass radiation leakage, or the ones saying that the Japanese are very smart and have considered everything from h-bombs to tsunamis in their reactor designs?

This is becoming critical, I hope everyone can get away, but some will have to stay behind to work on the reactors. That would really suck.

...this alarmist bull**** is getting tiresome. We're still a far ways away from a tragedy here... The explosions are unsafe but there is still very little danger from radiation... Stop making this out to be something its not.

If i hear chernobyl again i might throw up...

Got Haggis? 03-15-2011 11:23

chernobyl

telos 03-15-2011 11:24

I get to fly through Tokyo in 10 days. God I hope I don't get rerouted. Going through Amsterdam takes so much ****ing longer to get to Singapore. stupid earth quakes.

Pagy 03-15-2011 11:24

:-(

Goshin 03-15-2011 11:24

mutant zombie russian japanese

Skibbi9 03-15-2011 11:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goshin (Post 16275907)
mutant zombie russian japanese

i for one welcome our new TMNT overlords

Zombie 03-15-2011 11:43

BBC News - Japan nuclear alert at Fukushima - Q&A

Good summary in laymans terms.

Dresden 03-15-2011 11:58

Quote:

TEPCO To Try Dumping Water On Nuke Plant Via Helicopter
http://t.co/aWwAwR1

JoMo 03-15-2011 12:05

New Quake revised upward from 6.0 to 6.4

Goshin 03-15-2011 12:06

they should just get some fire engines there and spray it with water loawl

Tappy 03-15-2011 12:17

They should be pumping concrete, not seawater.

JoMo 03-15-2011 12:17

http://bravenewclimate.files.wordpre...o_status_4.jpg

LogRoller 03-15-2011 12:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tappy (Post 16276038)
They should be pumping concrete, not seawater.

yes, well known for its cooling properties

Tappy 03-15-2011 12:27

Seawater, well known for insulating radioisotopes.

Grief 03-15-2011 12:30

Tappy isn't very bright, is he.

Zombie 03-15-2011 12:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tappy (Post 16276055)
Seawater, well known for insulating radioisotopes.

They need to cool it, not seal it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grief (Post 16276067)
Tappy isn't very bright, is he.

No, he's not.

JoMo 03-15-2011 12:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zombie (Post 16276071)
They need to cool it, not seal it.


No, he's not.

Probably need to do both TBH.

JoMo 03-15-2011 12:33

If they do use helicopters to drop water on it, there's gonna be a lot of comparisons to Chernobyl.

Flyersfan 03-15-2011 12:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pagy (Post 16275895)
...this alarmist bull**** is getting tiresome. We're still a far ways away from a tragedy here... The explosions are unsafe but there is still very little danger from radiation... Stop making this out to be something its not.

If i hear chernobyl again i might throw up...

If you were anywhere near the reactors you would throw up

But its np guys this is a normal situation plants leak radiation once a year on average. Stop watching all this neocon media hype.

JoMo 03-15-2011 12:45

TEPCO says water at Reactor #2 is recovering smoothly.

Pagy 03-15-2011 12:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyersfan (Post 16276085)
If you were anywhere near the reactors you would throw up

But its np guys this is a normal situation plants leak radiation once a year on average. Stop watching all this neocon media hype.

No one said it was normal... It just isn't doomsday.

JoMo 03-15-2011 13:03

Kyodo:

The following is the known status as of Tuesday evening of each of the six reactors at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant and the four reactors at the Fukushima No. 2 plant, both in Fukushima Prefecture, crippled by Friday's magnitude 9.0 earthquake and ensuing tsunami.

Fukushima No. 1

-- Reactor No. 1 - Cooling failure, partial melting of core, vapor vented, hydrogen explosion, seawater pumped in.

-- Reactor No. 2 - Cooling failure, seawater pumped in, fuel rods fully exposed temporarily, vapor vented, damage to containment system, potential meltdown feared.

-- Reactor No. 3 - Cooling failure, partial melting of core feared, vapor vented, seawater pumped in, hydrogen explosion, high-level radiation measured nearby.

-- Reactor No. 4 - Under maintenance when quake struck, fire caused possibly by hydrogen explosion at pool holding spent fuel rods, pool water level feared receding.

-- Reactor No. 5 - Under maintenance when quake struck, temperature slightly rising at spent fuel pool.

-- Reactor No. 6 - Under maintenance when quake struck, temperature slightly rising at spent fuel pool.

JoMo 03-15-2011 13:31

lol France is still retreating

NEWS ADVISORY: Radio France to withdraw staff in Japan after nuclear accidents: Dow Jones

Shortest_Straw 03-15-2011 13:55

So what is the over/under on how long it takes before Hollywood creates a movie based on the events of the past week?

I'll give it 18 months.

HeLLrAiSr 03-15-2011 13:57

I thought japan did this to make the best disaster movie ever

Edofnor 03-15-2011 13:57

lol france

JoMo 03-15-2011 14:01

http://l.yimg.com/go/news/picture/20...4_151132_0.jpg

JoMo 03-15-2011 14:06

BBC is reporting that 4 people died in the aftershock they had a few hours ago.

Esteban_Villa 03-15-2011 14:08

Its Wed in Japan or at least close to it. I assume everything is back to normal, yes? LGBR said it would be and he was a bartender in Japan so he seems pretty qualified

Fox k 03-15-2011 14:13

Latest Earthquakes in the World - Past 7 days

I think 6.0 and greater are a bit much for just aftershocks.

DropSquad 03-15-2011 14:15

William Tucker: Japan Does Not Face Another Chernobyl - WSJ.com

Oh hi. The worst that can happen at the reactors has happend. Carry on.

JoMo 03-15-2011 14:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by DropSquad (Post 16276312)
William Tucker: Japan Does Not Face Another Chernobyl - WSJ.com

Oh hi. The worst that can happen at the reactors has happend. Carry on.

I don't think anyone said it was going to be another Chernobyl. (other than media hype)

Whoop 03-15-2011 14:18

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9264/ipoorkid1.jpg

CogitoČ 03-15-2011 14:31

Just hypothetically, what happens if all cooling function is lost at reactors 1-4, and all water in all systems, including the water used to cool spent fuel, evaporates? Like, genuinely curious, what would happen?

Whoop 03-15-2011 14:32

super godzilla

telos 03-15-2011 14:34

It would go into meltdown in the containment bed and eventually cool off.

The reaction would not accelerate it would stop and fizzle out.

JoMo 03-15-2011 14:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by CogitoČ (Post 16276356)
Just hypothetically, what happens if all cooling function is lost at reactors 1-4, and all water in all systems, including the water used to cool spent fuel, evaporates? Like, genuinely curious, what would happen?

1-3 would melt down.. 4 would probably emit radioactivity from the spent rods.

JoMo 03-15-2011 14:38

latest update from Kyodo, the bold part is new to me:

A nuclear crisis at the quake-hit Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant deepened Tuesday as fresh explosions occurred at the site and its operator said water in a pool storing spent nuclear fuel rods may be boiling, an ominous sign for the release of high-level radioactive materials from the fuel.

The government ordered the plant's operator, Tokyo Electric Power Co., on Tuesday night to inject water into the pool at the No. 4 reactor to cool it down ''as soon as possible to avert a major nuclear disaster.''

TEPCO said the water level in the pool storing the spent fuel rods at its Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant's No. 4 reactor may have dropped, exposing the rods. Unless the spent fuel rods are cooled down, they could be damaged and emit radioactive substances.

The firm said it has not yet confirmed the current water level or water temperature in the pool and will try to pour water into the facility from Wednesday through holes that were created following an explosion earlier Tuesday in the walls of the building that houses the reactor.

Due to high radiation levels at the No. 4 reactor, workers on Tuesday were unable to prepare for the pouring of water into the troubled pool. Difficult conditions have led the utility to evacuate around 730 of the 800 workers from the site, according to TEPCO.

The firm said its workers were only able to remain in the central control rooms at the Fukushima plant for 10 minutes to avoid exposure to excessive radiation levels. They have retreated to a remote site to monitor data on the reactors, it added.

At 6:14 a.m. on Tuesday, a blast occurred at the No. 4 reactor and created two square-shaped holes about 8 by 8 meters in the walls of the building that houses the reactor. At 9:38 a.m., a fire broke out there and smoke billowed from the holes.

The utility said it could not deny the possibility that the early morning explosion was caused by hydrogen generated by a chemical reaction involving the exposed spent nuclear fuel and vapor.

Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said at a press conference, ''We believe very high-level radioactive substances have not been emitted continuously from the No. 4 reactor,'' citing radiation monitoring data at the plant.

The nuclear agency said the water temperature in the pool stood at 84 degrees C as of 4 a.m. Monday, higher than the normal level of 40 to 50 degrees. Usually, the upper tip of the fuel rods is at a depth of 10 meters from the surface of the pool, it said.

Agency officials said the fuel rods will not reach criticality again as they have been stored in racks containing boron to prevent it.

Edano said water temperatures in the pools at the No. 5 and No. 6 reactors at the Fukushima plant have been rising as well.

The three reactors were not in service when a magnitude 9.0 earthquake jolted Fukushima Prefecture and other areas in northeastern Japan on Friday.

The agency said among the three, the situation is the severest at the No. 4 reactor because all the fuel rods are stored in the pool due to the change of the reactor's shroud. At the No. 5 and No. 6 reactors, up to one-third of the rods are being kept in the pools. The more fuel rods are kept in a pool, the more radioactive substances could be emitted.

The new development followed a critical situation at the No. 2 reactor at the Fukushima plant earlier in the day, in which part of the reactor's containment vessel was damaged following an apparent hydrogen explosion at 6:10 a.m.

TEPCO said the problem could develop into a critical ''meltdown'' situation, in which fuel rods melt and are destroyed, emitting massive amounts of radioactive materials into the air.

Prime Minister Naoto Kan urged people living within 20 to 30 kilometers of the plant to stay indoors, after radiation equivalent to 400 times the level to which people can be safely exposed in one year was detected near the No. 3 reactor at the plant.

Residents within a 20-km radius have already been ordered to evacuate the area following Saturday's hydrogen blast at the plant's No. 1 reactor. The transport ministry also banned aircraft from flying within 30 kilometers of the nuclear plant to prevent possible radiation exposure.

''The danger of further radiation leaks (from the plant) is increasing,'' Kan warned the public at a press conference, while asking people to ''act calmly.''

Edano said the high radiation level detected at 10:22 a.m. after the explosions at the No. 2 and No. 4 reactors ''would certainly have negative effects on the human body.''

The utility firm said later in the day the massive radiation amount of 400 millisievert per hour, or 400,000 microsievert, was recorded around debris in front of the No. 3 reactor and that the material may have come from the nearby No. 4 reactor.

TEPCO has been continuing operations to pour seawater into the troubled No. 1, 2 and 3 reactors to prevent overheating and further damage to their containment vessels. But despite the injection of water, fuel rods in the three reactors remain partially exposed.

The cores of those three reactors at the plant are believed to have partially melted following the devastating quake.

The country's strongest recorded quake, also one of the largest in global history, caused the three reactors, which were all operating at the time, to automatically shut down.

==Kyodo

CogitoČ 03-15-2011 14:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoMo (Post 16276370)
1-3 would melt down.. 4 would probably emit radioactivity from the spent rods.

Given that #2's containment structure has been breached, would there not be significant (as in, enough to harm human health) release of iodine and cesium into the environment? Again, just wondering. Most of the "it'll be fine" articles were predicated on the fact that the containment vessel would not be breached.

JoMo 03-15-2011 14:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by CogitoČ (Post 16276381)
Given that #2's containment structure has been breached, would there not be significant (as in, enough to harm human health) release of iodine and cesium into the environment? Again, just wondering. Most of the "it'll be fine" articles were predicated on the fact that the containment vessel would not be breached.

It's unknown how much of #2 is breached or if it was. I've heard that the explosion in the suppression pool may have caused a crack in which radiation is leaking out but not even the plant operators know for sure.


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