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Odio 05-15-2016 01:11

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Originally Posted by LouCypher (Post 18573259)

The irony in this is killing me faster than the cancer.

Captain Tele 05-15-2016 05:30

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Originally Posted by LouCypher (Post 18573259)

that's an adorable tribute to the alter of state.

some good statist supplicant paid proper tithing and tribute for that.

bet he prays 3-5 times a day toward mecca on Capital Hill

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dTVp5mjxT...97311041_n.jpg

the answer is dem mexicans......amiright?

Captain Tele 05-15-2016 05:33

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Originally Posted by Odio (Post 18573275)
The irony in this is killing me faster than the cancer.

must be the tainted water in Flint, gas leaks in CA, radiation spills in Wa, or orange rivers the EPA keeps making for us

http://politistick.com/wp-content/up...River_.000.jpg

they must make human sacrifices if the state shall remain great

your contribution in blood is not voluntary.....nor are their great ideas

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...12&oe=57E6CF61


SexxxGodSteve 05-15-2016 06:28

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Originally Posted by LouCypher (Post 18573247)
The only person in that video that said anything I agreed with is Elisabeth Motsinger, who said "Profit motive is not something that should be interjected into public education."

a noble goal


convince everyone on your side to stop giving excuses for spilling money into the coffers of pearson and friends via standardized tests, textbooks, etc.

Greedo909 05-15-2016 07:52

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Originally Posted by LouCypher (Post 18573200)
If you can't reconcile "liberal" with "libertarian" then you fail to understand the definition of "liberty".

That's the problem with Republican LINOs, they think the "liberty" in "libertarian" is all about guns and letting big business do what it wants. The Paultards among you think it's okay for states to make laws restricting personal liberties (like who you marry, or if you can smoke weed), so long as it isn't the Federal government doing the stick wielding.

As far as any conservative libertarian I know goes; promoting states rights is an issue of practical strategy, not an ends in itself. It is a way to use the already existing set of laws(as they were originally written and intended to be used in the constitution) to legally maintain or restore liberty by nullifying illegally obtained federal power.

Ron Paul(I've read several of his books) is personally for keeping the government completely out of involvement in marriage or drug use, whether its' state or federal. As a legislator though, he compromises by supporting the practical lesser of two-evils--state over federal. It's fair to point out that purists might take issue with such a compromise, but it's completely dishonest to say that he is for tyranny as long as it comes at the hands of a state.

On a side note, you seem to enjoy boasting about your libertarianism, and trying to insult and disarm anyone that is a conservative libertarian(clearly the dominant strain of libertarianism in the US) as being in the fringe. But how do you rectify your progressive statist views with the views of the Libertarian Party(basically AnCap on economics and social law, but minarchist on defense/foreign policy) who you always claim to be a big supporter of?

https://www.lp.org/platform

Validuz 05-15-2016 08:27

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Originally Posted by LouCypher (Post 18573259)

All of those things (besides NASA) happened without the federal government. Local people have been growing food and creating infrastructure for all of our history.

In short, you're a retard.

HumDumpin 05-15-2016 11:23

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Originally Posted by Greedo909 (Post 18573314)
As far as any conservative libertarian I know goes; promoting states rights is an issue of practical strategy, not an ends in itself. It is a way to use the already existing set of laws(as they were originally written and intended to be used in the constitution) to legally maintain or restore liberty by nullifying illegally obtained federal power.

Ron Paul(I've read several of his books) is personally for keeping the government completely out of involvement in marriage or drug use, whether its' state or federal. As a legislator though, he compromises by supporting the practical lesser of two-evils--state over federal. It's fair to point out that purists might take issue with such a compromise, but it's completely dishonest to say that he is for tyranny as long as it comes at the hands of a state.

On a side note, you seem to enjoy boasting about your libertarianism, and trying to insult and disarm anyone that is a conservative libertarian(clearly the dominant strain of libertarianism in the US) as being in the fringe. But how do you rectify your progressive statist views with the views of the Libertarian Party(basically AnCap on economics and social law, but minarchist on defense/foreign policy) who you always claim to be a big supporter of?

https://www.lp.org/platform

Conservative libertarians come up so short on conserving the environment, seems like a dead end experiment from the start if your political-economic outlook essentially rewards poisoning the world to save an almighty dollar.

Kerosene31 05-15-2016 11:35

Libertarianism seems like a great idea when you're stoned, but then you realize that people generally fall into two categories:

-stupid
-evil

Unfortunately we need laws, mostly for the first category. We have to put "do not drink" labels on bleach.

LouCypher 05-15-2016 11:39

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Originally Posted by Captain Tele (Post 18573302)
the answer is dem mexicans......amiright?

No, they'll just use a machine so they don't have to pay anyone to pick it.....amiright?

LouCypher 05-15-2016 11:42

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Originally Posted by SexxxGodSteve (Post 18573307)
convince everyone on your side to stop giving excuses for spilling money into the coffers of pearson and friends via standardized tests, textbooks, etc.

I'll get right on that.. after you convince everyone on your side that my tax dollars shouldn't be spent giving parents school vouchers so their kids can attend a school that thinks science is an instrument of Satan, and the world is 6000 years old.

LouCypher 05-15-2016 11:47

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Originally Posted by Greedo909 (Post 18573314)
Ron Paul(I've read several of his books) is personally for keeping the government completely out of involvement in marriage or drug use, whether its' state or federal. As a legislator though, he compromises by supporting the practical lesser of two-evils--state over federal. It's fair to point out that purists might take issue with such a compromise, but it's completely dishonest to say that he is for tyranny as long as it comes at the hands of a state.

If he walks like a Republican, and talks like a Republican, you can understand why people think he's a Republican. It's deceitful to call your self "Libertarian" and then every chance you have to prove it you decide to go with the "lesser of two-evils" instead of standing up for good. Everytime he has a mic in front of him he's said states should decide who can marry because he's just another politician lying to supporters like you.

LouCypher 05-15-2016 11:52

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Originally Posted by Validuz (Post 18573315)
All of those things (besides NASA) happened without the federal government. Local people have been growing food and creating infrastructure for all of our history.

In short, you're a retard.

You know what happened in this country before the federal government standardized the width and spacing of train tracks? The "free market" had companies with different specifications, and none of their trains would work on the competitor's tracks.

The government sets standards, companies follow them, and we all benefit.

Scud411 05-15-2016 12:00

It all sucks.

If things are corporate run there's the risk of cutting corners leading to some terrible ****.

If things are state run there's the risk of inflating costs and terrible corruption (lack of oversight) which ends up the burden of the taxpayers.

I think the reasonable thing to say is state should handle basics and work where it can to give people the education and access to ways to leverage the capitalist economy.

But because it's all a big show, they have to do their song and dance and act all extreme in order to get people angry or excited to vote for them.

I guess something sorta liberal I would like to see one day is for elections and campaigning to be standardized in some way and for debates to not be run by broadcasters. They could be rebroadcast, but they should be run by the state so there's less interest in the spectacle and more focus on discussing problems and solutions.

havax 05-15-2016 12:54

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Originally Posted by LouCypher (Post 18573359)
If I walk like a Democrat, and talk like a Democrat, I can understand why people think I'm a Democrat. It would be deceitful to call myself "Libertarian" and then every chance I have to prove it I decide to go with the "lesser of two-evils" instead of standing up for good.

fixed

Vanster 05-15-2016 13:28

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Tantric Rex 05-15-2016 13:43

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Originally Posted by LouCypher (Post 18573356)
after you convince everyone on your side that my tax dollars shouldn't be spent giving parents school vouchers so their kids can attend a school that thinks science is an instrument of Satan, and the world is 6000 years old.

Thats easy, get rid of the US department of education. then you dont have to worry about what parents teach their kids.

[N]PRIME189 05-15-2016 14:25

That's a libertarian ideal tantric, Lucy is a democrat

Captain Tele 05-15-2016 15:15

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Originally Posted by Kerosene31 (Post 18573350)
Libertarianism seems like a great idea when you're stoned, but then you realize that people generally fall into two categories:

-stupid
-evil

Unfortunately we need laws, mostly for the first category. We have to put "do not drink" labels on bleach.

good thing laws fix, stop, and discourage

-stupid
-evil

Africa and Central to South America proving that point.

And/Or Chicago, DC, and Oakland if you wish to find microcosms

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The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government.
several centuries strong and still holding true

Pagy 05-15-2016 15:33

loucyphr is as much a libertarian as icpedo was an independent

LouCypher 05-15-2016 15:34

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Originally Posted by Tantric Rex (Post 18573420)
Thats easy, get rid of the US department of education. then you dont have to worry about what parents teach their kids.

If you can get rid of the DoE and still maintain a standard for education, do it.

Would you like to be the cancer patient with an oncologist who doesn't offer chemotherapy because he thinks prayer will shrink your tumor?


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