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Esteban_Villa 12-07-2016 11:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by -SS- (Post 18686241)
Question: Do you fault *anyone* trying to pay less in taxes when compared to those who do not pay into the system or receive more back (such as EIC) than they paid in?

no bait, no homo, etc.

I support people who work at making sure they pay the least amount of taxes as the laws are currently written. They're bull****. When everyone pays the same % across the board, then there shouldn't be any exemptions.

It gets old hearing the same old garbage about people paying their fair share. Quit allowing these people to set that narrative because their drivel is in no way, fair. It's populism and class warfare.

A highly convulsed tax system like the irs is only going to benefit the rich who can afford well trained accountants. Trump has said himself he wants to decrease how convoluted it is as it's not fair.

I hated the republican mantra when I hear them talk to people like buffet and say 'if you wanna pay more taxes, then do it.' Nah, system needs to have the same opportunity for all. Of course that opens the door to the legal system being de facto in favor of the rich since they can afford better attorneys. Of course than even socialized systems have speciality hospitals just for the rich.

At least the stream lining of irs will tangibly benefit all and make one less stratified system. His three tier system seems to be the start.

JoMo 12-07-2016 11:35

Marines are gonna be well represented....

"Report: Donald Trump is tapping Gen. John Kelly to run Department of Homeland Security, sources tell CBS News"

spockhammer 12-07-2016 12:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esteban_Villa (Post 18686244)
A highly convulsed tax system like the irs is only going to benefit the rich who can afford well trained accountants. Trump has said himself he wants to decrease how convoluted it is as it's not fair.

I hated the republican mantra when I hear them talk to people like buffet and say 'if you wanna pay more taxes, then do it.' Nah, system needs to have the same opportunity for all. Of course that opens the door to the legal system being de facto in favor of the rich since they can afford better attorneys. Of course than even socialized systems have speciality hospitals just for the rich.

At least the stream lining of irs will tangibly benefit all and make one less stratified system. His three tier system seems to be the start.

dont forget to add in how much money goes to the military industrial complex or directly into corporate tax cuts, tax cuts for the rich, business dev for foreign investors, etc etc

none of it goes into education, welfare, infrastructure, etc


canada does the exact same thing except its worse because we sold it all to china and we could have had a national resource pension plan for all canadian citizens or a big basic income for every citizen from the profit

Kerosene31 12-07-2016 12:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by -SS- (Post 18686241)
Question: Do you fault *anyone* trying to pay less in taxes when compared to those who do not pay into the system or receive more back (such as EIC) than they paid in?

no bait, no homo, etc.

I support people who work at making sure they pay the least amount of taxes as the laws are currently written. They're bull****. When everyone pays the same % across the board, then there shouldn't be any exemptions.

It gets old hearing the same old garbage about people paying their fair share. Quit allowing these people to set that narrative because their drivel is in no way, fair. It's populism and class warfare.

Not at all, as I said, he'd be an idiot not to use the laws to his advantage (as he says all the time). I mean, what's he supposed to do? Follow the law and realize he doesn't pay, and then cut a check to the IRS anyway? Of course not.

My problem isn't with the people, but the rules. This isn't about class warfare or fairness. The middle class is shrinking. That's a fact. That's also a problem for everyone, rich, poor and in between. Ultimately the rich will suffer too when there's no more middle class. Nobody seems to care because that is a long way off, so why not make $$$ now and let someone else worry about it?

You hear a lot of people talk about high taxes for the rich and corporations, but in reality it is a lot more complex. The US does have a very high tax rate for the high end, but of course there are tons of loopholes, so that really isn't the actual pay rate. Kind of like the sticker price on a car, nobody really pays that.

I'm not a Bernie/Occupy Wall Street type. I just get economics enough to know that a shirking middle class is very bad for everyone. Something needs to be done to stop that trend. I'm not asking for higher taxes on the rich to punish them, but because we need to fix the system, and fixing the middle class long term is a win for everyone.

spockhammer 12-07-2016 12:31

alt account for my alt account on my alt account that i lied to dare about alting

Edofnor 12-07-2016 13:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoMo (Post 18686216)
Had to get their little jab in though...

http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscm...line-large.jpg


lincoln - opposed by large portion of the population, pioneer of executive overreach, presides over military occupation of slave states leading to full blown civil war (the bloodiest war in american history) = great emancipator and uniter

trump - opposed by large portion of the population, election has compelled several corporations to reconsider outsourcing/offshoring strategies, inspired thousands of rich white boys to paint swastikas in park bathrooms (where there were previously only 3-5 swastikas and 8-12 ejaculating penises drawn in each stall) to impress the oppressed minority targets of their unrequited lust = evil, divisive demon forcing the public to accept his ascension to supreme dictator of the disunited states of ameriKKKa

but hey, he's time's man of the year, and that's an honor that lincoln and his aerated skull will never win

u kno they're going to make a big deal about trump being in the hitler/man of the year club

Odio 12-07-2016 13:14

cool story bro, too bad the majority of swastikas are drawn by ******s and jews. You could have had a best seller.

Kerosene31 12-07-2016 13:17

TW: calls everyone who opposes Trump a plague
criticizes someone saying we're divided

:)

spockhammer 12-07-2016 13:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edofnor (Post 18686276)
lincoln - opposed by large portion of the population, pioneer of executive overreach, presides over military occupation of slave states leading to full blown civil war (the bloodiest war in american history) = great emancipator and uniter

trump - opposed by large portion of the population, election has compelled several corporations to reconsider outsourcing/offshoring strategies, inspired thousands of rich white boys to paint swastikas in park bathrooms (where there were previously only 3-5 swastikas and 8-12 ejaculating penises drawn in each stall) to impress the oppressed minority targets of their unrequited lust = evil, divisive demon forcing the public to accept his ascension to supreme dictator of the disunited states of ameriKKKa

but hey, he's time's man of the year, and that's an honor that lincoln and his aerated skull will never win

u kno they're going to make a big deal about trump being in the hitler/man of the year club


plz focus ur SA LF **** on lincoln not trump

Flash 12-07-2016 13:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerosene31 (Post 18686283)
TW: calls everyone who opposes Trump a plague
criticizes someone saying we're divided

:)

I think all of TW would agree we are divided. Many of us just feel the media has an agenda to divide us.

JoMo 12-07-2016 14:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerosene31 (Post 18686283)
TW: calls everyone who opposes Trump a plague
criticizes someone saying we're divided

:)

It's always divided at election time. Roughly 1/2 want one candidate and 1/2 want the other candidate.

See any comments on these covers for person of the year?

https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.c.../12/obama5.jpg

Kerosene31 12-07-2016 14:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash (Post 18686292)
I think all of TW would agree we are divided. Many of us just feel the media has an agenda to divide us.

The media is biased, and is more op-ed than actual news, but the media drives nothing.

The media is the symptom, not the problem. The media's first bias is to ratings. People love their biased echo chambers and the ratings show this. Why do we not have a news channel that shows actual facts? Because that would get crap ratings.

The 2 party system puts us in a glass prison. Ask anyone why they voted one way or the other. I bet they'll instead tell you why they didn't vote for the other person.

Kerosene31 12-07-2016 14:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoMo (Post 18686312)
It's always divided at election time. Roughly 1/2 want one candidate and 1/2 want the other candidate.

See any comments on these covers for person of the year?

You know you sound exactly like the SJWs you all hate? Waaahhhhh the cover isn't nice to me!

You realize, nowhere on the cover does it blame Trump for the divide? You folks are just so easily triggered.

NightTrain 12-07-2016 14:19

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzF7Gm1VEAI5WtV.jpg

euph 12-07-2016 14:20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsoVYStL6gQ

Kerosene31 12-07-2016 14:32

Yep, you've confirmed at least one SJW mexican chick in California. I bet if you dig a little deeper you'll find a couple more.

JoMo 12-07-2016 14:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerosene31 (Post 18686316)
You know you sound exactly like the SJWs you all hate? Waaahhhhh the cover isn't nice to me!

You realize, nowhere on the cover does it blame Trump for the divide? You folks are just so easily triggered.

Not really. It's just pointing out the double standard that exists in the media. They can attack Republicans all day long with snide comments and bull**** but amazingly they do nothing but praise Democrats.

Kerosene31 12-07-2016 14:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoMo (Post 18686329)
Not really. It's just pointing out the double standard that exists in the media. They can attack Republicans all day long with snide comments and bull**** but amazingly they do nothing but praise Democrats.

So, you've read all their political coverage have you? That means you are either:

-over 70 years old
and/or
-sitting in doctor's waiting rooms for a very, very long time

Nobody thought Trump would win. I was in the Trump thread in the afternoon on election day and even everyone here was dreading the result.

JoMo 12-07-2016 14:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerosene31 (Post 18686331)
So, you've read all their political coverage have you? That means you are either:

-over 70 years old
and/or
-sitting in doctor's waiting rooms for a very, very long time

Nobody thought Trump would win. I was in the Trump thread in the afternoon on election day and even everyone here was dreading the result.

Ok? But that doesn't address the clear bias these 'journalists' have.

absent 12-07-2016 14:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerosene31 (Post 18686331)
Nobody thought Trump would win.

Excuse me, but I did. Not only that, but I called it from the start.

Kerosene31 12-07-2016 14:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoMo (Post 18686332)
Ok? But that doesn't address the clear bias these 'journalists' have.

The bias against Trump was different. And yes, the media is biased towards the left.

Trump was an unusual case though. Everyone thought it was really hilarious he was running and actually doing well for awhile.

A reality TV star was running and saying really strange things all along and it was hilarious. Sorry, it just was. It goes beyond politics.

Plus, how did that negative coverage hurt him? Did it at all? I think CNN blasting him day after day did the exact opposite. I think it just made the people who liked what he had to say love him more.

spockhammer 12-07-2016 15:12

id like to label u and ur brother but im probably not going to


ur friends tho...

NoGodForMe 12-07-2016 15:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by absent (Post 18686335)
Excuse me, but I did. Not only that, but I called it from the start.

I was 50/50 saying he had to carry the swing states. I was talking about the electoral counts in each state the entire time. The surprise for me was him carrying the blue states up north (MI, WS, PA). That was the icing on the cake.

bam 12-07-2016 15:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerosene31 (Post 18686331)
So, you've read all their political coverage have you? That means you are either:

-over 70 years old
and/or
-sitting in doctor's waiting rooms for a very, very long time

Nobody thought Trump would win. I was in the Trump thread in the afternoon on election day and even everyone here was dreading the result.

You're such an insufferable ****

Fool 12-07-2016 15:45

I know I didn't think he'd win, but I thought it would be a lot closer than most people thought it would be. I certainly thought that "they" would never allow him to win.

JoMo 12-07-2016 15:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerosene31 (Post 18686338)
The bias against Trump was different. And yes, the media is biased towards the left.

Trump was an unusual case though. Everyone thought it was really hilarious he was running and actually doing well for awhile.

A reality TV star was running and saying really strange things all along and it was hilarious. Sorry, it just was. It goes beyond politics.

Plus, how did that negative coverage hurt him? Did it at all? I think CNN blasting him day after day did the exact opposite. I think it just made the people who liked what he had to say love him more.

The bias against Trump was very negative, no matter what he did. The negative coverage actually helped him with his 'outsider' status. If they would have covered him 'fairly', he might have actually lost.

That doesn't excuse the fact of the clear bias though from 'journalists' who aren't 'commentators'. There's a difference. In commentary, it's ok to be a douchebag, but when you're supposed to be a journalist that brings the news, clear bias is awful.

Flipp 12-07-2016 16:13

Kerosene clearly a worthless cuck deserving of physical assault irl smdh lol :jester:

absent 12-07-2016 16:20

http://i.imgur.com/v95VTmj.png

kek <-- this one
kek
kek
kek

Esteban_Villa 12-07-2016 16:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by absent (Post 18686378)
http://i.imgur.com/v95VTmj.png

kek <-- this one
kek
kek
kek

holy fuk hahaha

-SS- 12-07-2016 16:50

Actually, kerosene is pretty reasonable imo

Compare his replies to the other alleged indies here in TW, like:

feytal
beggi
icpedo
dealyderp
asshatsam
gotfaggis

hell, even low-T dawg has gotten better :shrug:

Kerosene31 12-07-2016 16:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoMo (Post 18686361)
The bias against Trump was very negative, no matter what he did. The negative coverage actually helped him with his 'outsider' status. If they would have covered him 'fairly', he might have actually lost.

That doesn't excuse the fact of the clear bias though from 'journalists' who aren't 'commentators'. There's a difference. In commentary, it's ok to be a douchebag, but when you're supposed to be a journalist that brings the news, clear bias is awful.

Well, that's why I don't watch CNN (believe it or not). They stopped being "news" a long time ago along with Fox, MSNBC, etc.

Guess what? The issues are boring. People don't care.

Plus, this election was never about issues. Why cover the issues? I refused to vote Hillary and it had little to do with the issues. I lean left, I didn't have any major problems with her platform.

Feannag 12-07-2016 17:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerosene31 (Post 18686338)
The bias against Trump was different. And yes, the media is biased towards the left.

Trump was an unusual case though. Everyone thought it was really hilarious he was running and actually doing well for awhile.

A reality TV star was running and saying really strange things all along and it was hilarious. Sorry, it just was. It goes beyond politics.

Plus, how did that negative coverage hurt him? Did it at all? I think CNN blasting him day after day did the exact opposite. I think it just made the people who liked what he had to say love him more.

Wasn't the the DNCs entire plan? Find the most negative, unlikable Republican candidate and push the press on him 24/7 with the notion he'll be so disliked/reviled by Election Day the Democrat's candidate would walk into a landslide election?

JoMo 12-07-2016 17:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerosene31 (Post 18686388)
Well, that's why I don't watch CNN (believe it or not). They stopped being "news" a long time ago along with Fox, MSNBC, etc.

Guess what? The issues are boring. People don't care.

Plus, this election was never about issues. Why cover the issues? I refused to vote Hillary and it had little to do with the issues. I lean left, I didn't have any major problems with her platform.

It wasn't just CNN. Martha Raddatz (ABC News) was nearly crying, Richard Engle (NBC News) went into a bizarre tirade and was about to burst into tears or pop a blood vessel.

JoMo 12-07-2016 17:11

More winning....

Trump's win pushed this manufacturer to return to the U.S. - Dec. 7, 2016

Kerosene31 12-07-2016 17:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feannag (Post 18686392)
Wasn't the the DNCs entire plan? Find the most negative, unlikable Republican candidate and push the press on him 24/7 with the notion he'll be so disliked/reviled by Election Day the Democrat's candidate would walk into a landslide election?

I assume they knew they had a horribly flawed candidate, and honestly I think Trump gave them the best shot to win.

Any strategy that involved throwing Hillary at us was an awful one. As Trump says, the stuff that came out about her should have been disqualified her as president.

The Dems can cry all they want but they made a terrible choice.

JoMo 12-07-2016 17:27

Haha, yes!

"President-Elect Donald Trump to nominate pro-wrestling magnate Linda McMahon as the administrator of Small Business Administration"

Gouge 12-07-2016 17:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoMo (Post 18686216)
Had to get their little jab in though...

http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscm...line-large.jpg

Gotta love the Horns to make him look all Evil and stuff.

Kerosene31 12-07-2016 17:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoMo (Post 18686395)
It wasn't just CNN. Martha Raddatz (ABC News) was nearly crying, Richard Engle (NBC News) went into a bizarre tirade and was about to burst into tears or pop a blood vessel.

Trump is big ratings. Hating on him or supporting him both bring in great ratings. Hating on Trump now is even better ratings. Notice how CNN and others reported how the polls got oh so much closer right before a debate?

I laughed after the election. I was shocked simply because it was unexpected, but whatever. I'm very much in the minority though - people are genuinely freaked the hell out.

I'm not saying you're wrong for finding people ridiculous, but people really feel this way.

Also, guess what? Get used to it. We had 8 years of thanks Obama memes. Now you're on the receiving end.

JoMo 12-07-2016 17:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerosene31 (Post 18686415)
Trump is big ratings. Hating on him or supporting him both bring in great ratings. Hating on Trump now is even better ratings. Notice how CNN and others reported how the polls got oh so much closer right before a debate?

I laughed after the election. I was shocked simply because it was unexpected, but whatever. I'm very much in the minority though - people are genuinely freaked the hell out.

I'm not saying you're wrong for finding people ridiculous, but people really feel this way.

Also, guess what? Get used to it. We had 8 years of thanks Obama memes. Now you're on the receiving end.

These are 'journalists' who aren't supposed to take sides though, clearly showing a bias.

I understand Seth Meyers, Colbert, Maddow, etc.... acting like this and making jokes or being biased and that's fine.

But when a journalist does their best job twisting something around in a way that it reflects negatively no matter what, then that's a problem.

Feannag 12-07-2016 18:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerosene31 (Post 18686401)
I assume they knew they had a horribly flawed candidate, and honestly I think Trump gave them the best shot to win.

Any strategy that involved throwing Hillary at us was an awful one. As Trump says, the stuff that came out about her should have been disqualified her as president.

The Dems can cry all they want but they made a terrible choice.

I suspect they were banking on Trump being SO reviled and disliked people wouldn't notice Clinton's ****. Regardless it backfired awfully.


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