Okay. Well, I guess since they're better players than me, that invalidates everything. This game will rock! Thanks for setting me straight!
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Okay. Well, I guess since they're better players than me, that invalidates everything. This game will rock! Thanks for setting me straight!
[N]PRIME189
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yea i dont think nofix ever bragged about being elite, maybe he does now but i have not seen it on here.
Does anyone on this forum work at Hi-Rez?
Ok, Sorry for the Wall of Quotes/Text, but its easier to comment on 10 pages at the same time than to try and keep up with this thread (that is mostly a repetition of every tribes thread for the past 7 years).
You cant really have "just" an MMO (although there is a classification of MMOG), but the genre has been associated with the RPG concept since UO. People say MMO but they mean MMORPG. Now there are newer gametypes that include the concept of Massively Multiplayer Online. T:U will be an MMOFPS in the likes of Planetside. There is an MMORTS/FPS Hybrid called "Kingdom Under Fire 2" which is classicifed as an MMOARTS (action) because of the FPS elements. Just clarifying for anyone else confused.
I agree. There is a balance to vehicles that very few games get right, specifically because they try to be "realistic" (AN F18 is inherently going to dominate a small Infantry group). However, I find it Ironic that so many T1 Elitists fail to realize that while T2 BASE had way overpowered vehicles for the physics and that they dominated the game, this was completely rectified by T2 Classic. The vehicles were perfectly balanced. Other than the very rare map with bases 3 KM apart Vehicles are completely unnecessary. Maps like Harvester have been played in top level competition with strats completely built around the vehicles, and with strats that ignore them entirely, and won both ways based on execution. I just watched a shoutcast of 1 of the T2 Tourney matches that went on uyesterday, and since 1 team had 2 shrikers the casters assumed that team would keep their base up and use them for defense. That team ignore their base, didnt keep the vpad up at all, and went massive cappers to the flag and won 8-0 in liek 10 minutes. Its a shame that T2 Base Vehicle dominance poisened so many people from ever trying T2 Again (along with the shit physics of base and UEs) that they missed out on the 1 Iteration of this game to properly balance vehicles while making them them fun and useful but not necessary in any way.
This is incorrect. They just gave us shitty maps at release. THey were small. Add in an OOB grid that "Traps you inside" and it felt even smaller. Way later in the game user made maps that were much larger and flowed much like our fav t1 and t2c maps were created, and in T:V LT mod they played very similar to t1/t2c LT (cluster).
The saddest part is a Grappling Hook inherently isnt a terrible Idea. In fact, it does fit right in with freedom of movement concept. However, when you make a grappling hook that works like this it is just plain retarded. (I know, I was a Grapple-Capper-Faggot from the get-go).
1) Tension of a rubber band, can be used to slingshot into routes, like a free mini DJ.
2) Enough Ammo that you can run around for 5 minutes minimum before needing more and can afford to miss shots and correct them.
3) Inability to Break the Hook/Line, even with a direct shot from the disc.
4) Ability to swing around and around a think "pole" gaining momentum the entire time without it snapping. Bare minimum it should have gotten shorter and shorted due to "wrapping around" said pole, but also if the tension strength wasnt retarded ridiculous it should break much sooner.
5) Took a weapon slot which hardly effected cappers but made LD/Chasers choose between their 3rd weapon (usually Snipe) and a grapple to try and chase close and cg.
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Had the Grappler simple been a Pack or other type of "Gear/Equipment", More limited ammo/uses (or a recharge of some type) Ability to break the hook/line from the start, Way less tension (no slingshot effect at all), Easier to reach breaking point (tension) and been able to grab the flag (if its not on the stand) and reel it in it could have been awesome, and not ruined the game.
That said, the TV grappler ruined that concept for tribes in general.
You know there is going to be a score System. The Key is to make sure said score system (and achievements if added- :/ ) will be done properly to encourage teamplay. An accurate point system that also rewards teamwork is entirely possible, its just not how T1 , T2 or TV did it. The key i believe is not showing deathcounts, which promotes "Strategic Suicide".
You keep saying this but its a contradiction for anybody who actually played Classic. All Classic did was remove the jello, replicating t1 physics as close as possible on torque, and then balanced the vehicles and weapons to the new physics set. If your Only problem with T2 was the Jello Physics, then Classic was the Perfect solution.
I do agree with you about the Key role Scripts, Modders and Mappers can and should play in this though, and that without them T1 and T2 would have 0 players instead of the small fanatical playerbases they currently do, 10+ years later. That said, you cant target a new game at that tiny playerbase, but I do think they need to give access to at minimum functional basic scripting (UIs, etc) and Mapping (BY far more important to longevity).
Amen.
You cant really have "just" an MMO (although there is a classification of MMOG), but the genre has been associated with the RPG concept since UO. People say MMO but they mean MMORPG. Now there are newer gametypes that include the concept of Massively Multiplayer Online. T:U will be an MMOFPS in the likes of Planetside. There is an MMORTS/FPS Hybrid called "Kingdom Under Fire 2" which is classicifed as an MMOARTS (action) because of the FPS elements. Just clarifying for anyone else confused.
I agree. There is a balance to vehicles that very few games get right, specifically because they try to be "realistic" (AN F18 is inherently going to dominate a small Infantry group). However, I find it Ironic that so many T1 Elitists fail to realize that while T2 BASE had way overpowered vehicles for the physics and that they dominated the game, this was completely rectified by T2 Classic. The vehicles were perfectly balanced. Other than the very rare map with bases 3 KM apart Vehicles are completely unnecessary. Maps like Harvester have been played in top level competition with strats completely built around the vehicles, and with strats that ignore them entirely, and won both ways based on execution. I just watched a shoutcast of 1 of the T2 Tourney matches that went on uyesterday, and since 1 team had 2 shrikers the casters assumed that team would keep their base up and use them for defense. That team ignore their base, didnt keep the vpad up at all, and went massive cappers to the flag and won 8-0 in liek 10 minutes. Its a shame that T2 Base Vehicle dominance poisened so many people from ever trying T2 Again (along with the shit physics of base and UEs) that they missed out on the 1 Iteration of this game to properly balance vehicles while making them them fun and useful but not necessary in any way.
This is incorrect. They just gave us shitty maps at release. THey were small. Add in an OOB grid that "Traps you inside" and it felt even smaller. Way later in the game user made maps that were much larger and flowed much like our fav t1 and t2c maps were created, and in T:V LT mod they played very similar to t1/t2c LT (cluster).
We have no idea what the game(s) will be like. We should just give them a chance. I remember the last time the Tribes devs asked TW what the next great Tribes "thing" would be and our greatest answer was a grappling hook.
The saddest part is a Grappling Hook inherently isnt a terrible Idea. In fact, it does fit right in with freedom of movement concept. However, when you make a grappling hook that works like this it is just plain retarded. (I know, I was a Grapple-Capper-Faggot from the get-go).
1) Tension of a rubber band, can be used to slingshot into routes, like a free mini DJ.
2) Enough Ammo that you can run around for 5 minutes minimum before needing more and can afford to miss shots and correct them.
3) Inability to Break the Hook/Line, even with a direct shot from the disc.
4) Ability to swing around and around a think "pole" gaining momentum the entire time without it snapping. Bare minimum it should have gotten shorter and shorted due to "wrapping around" said pole, but also if the tension strength wasnt retarded ridiculous it should break much sooner.
5) Took a weapon slot which hardly effected cappers but made LD/Chasers choose between their 3rd weapon (usually Snipe) and a grapple to try and chase close and cg.
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Had the Grappler simple been a Pack or other type of "Gear/Equipment", More limited ammo/uses (or a recharge of some type) Ability to break the hook/line from the start, Way less tension (no slingshot effect at all), Easier to reach breaking point (tension) and been able to grab the flag (if its not on the stand) and reel it in it could have been awesome, and not ruined the game.
That said, the TV grappler ruined that concept for tribes in general.
You know there is going to be a score System. The Key is to make sure said score system (and achievements if added- :/ ) will be done properly to encourage teamplay. An accurate point system that also rewards teamwork is entirely possible, its just not how T1 , T2 or TV did it. The key i believe is not showing deathcounts, which promotes "Strategic Suicide".
You keep saying this but its a contradiction for anybody who actually played Classic. All Classic did was remove the jello, replicating t1 physics as close as possible on torque, and then balanced the vehicles and weapons to the new physics set. If your Only problem with T2 was the Jello Physics, then Classic was the Perfect solution.
I do agree with you about the Key role Scripts, Modders and Mappers can and should play in this though, and that without them T1 and T2 would have 0 players instead of the small fanatical playerbases they currently do, 10+ years later. That said, you cant target a new game at that tiny playerbase, but I do think they need to give access to at minimum functional basic scripting (UIs, etc) and Mapping (BY far more important to longevity).
Amen.
Hurricane Harold
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You could latch onto a crane and whip around it indefinitely on one of the maps. Were collisions checked against it at all?
I disagree. Before skiing and comp play, T1 was still far and away the most entertaining game I've ever played.
Among shooters today, it would still be a really unique game. I think that if it were remarketed and repackaged w/ new graphics, it could take off. All it would take is a few solid reviews from Gametrailers, IGN, etc. Especially, if it includes solid tutorials and demos on finer points of the game.
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I follow the same logic. If the gameplay matched Tribes, but looked like a modern FPS, I don't see why it couldn't pick up where Tribes 2 left off. Tribes 2 had something like 500,000 in sales, so you know people are willing to at least try this style of gameplay.
Collisions were checked but only if the object was a certain width, which was set way to high and allowed for these types of shenanigans.
Granite Gargoyle
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T2 was fun imo....the problem was it did not work for prolly half the community until it was patched into oblivion. Had nice large maps and a decent feel to it.
Did not like T3 at all. Leave grappling in Quake. And the maps in caves...bleh
You do stuff like T1 or T2, we're good to go
Did not like T3 at all. Leave grappling in Quake. And the maps in caves...bleh
You do stuff like T1 or T2, we're good to go
[Golbez-RG-]
Veteran XX
I didn't quit after RG, I went to Fallen Lords, who still never lost to NuTz, then I went to Fallout, who still never lost to NuTz (or Wolfpack)
I did quit RG with all the top tier players right after TWC though, my last match with them was the one against =S3= where they took #1 from us, because me and Rask had been playing in US West and the entire rest of the team hadn't practiced any new maps in months.
I did quit RG with all the top tier players right after TWC though, my last match with them was the one against =S3= where they took #1 from us, because me and Rask had been playing in US West and the entire rest of the team hadn't practiced any new maps in months.
Shadow(of)Death
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