The Economist's poll of economists: Examining the candidates

I hear the sound of TseTse furiously typing a reply complete with Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V, but not answering my question.
 
I'm going to respond like a mature adult... and see how it goes... (i see you already started flaming ^)

I had asked if he thought The Economist leaned left...

Musashi said:
Honestly, I can't say. I don't have enough knowlege of that publication to make a judgment. Is it as bad as the NYT? probably not, but this article is partisan (see below) so this means either the publication itself is partisan, or that the editors dropped the ball on this one.
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You claimed The Economist was "partisan" and you are kinda doing it again.

The Economist is from the UK and is a 150+ year old institution that passionately advocates for free trade, limited government, democracy, individualism, and accountability.

You "cant say" but yet you dont seem to CARE about the truth, either... (i suspect you just wont admit it)

Musashi said:
The sample used in the study was flawed, therefore the entire study was flawed. The skewed results which grossly favored Obama was the result of bad data and poor methodology. The article spun the text and the numbers for maximum impact so people like you could run with it and foam at the mouth. The facts are; (1) this was a bad study with flawed data, (2) the study was presented in a sensationalist way, (3) we are 1 month from the election. I would cheerfully submit that is a prima facie case for partisanship if I ever saw it.
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There is nothing flawed about it.

Listen, it's a simple survey with raw data reported.

A survey doesn't have to be "scientific" or seek to reach some type of statistical validity about the wider population. You guys keep trying to pretend the data is invalid because it's merely a survey.

It's not some serious fucking study or statistical survey to make generalizations about all economists, yet that's the standard that's being used here to judge the RAW DATA.

And what's sad is that this is your argument for calling them "partisan." That they simply asked 600+ economists to fill out a survey and reported the data objectively. I find it sad that some of you are so confused on this.

:picard:

Musashi said:
What do you define as independant? Greens? Communists? This study just tells us that they are not Dem or Rep. What we DO know is that they come from the Ivory towers of Academia, where freedom of thought takes a back seat to political correctness, and an elephant sticker on your car could endanger tenure.
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They simply do not identify with either of the 2 parties. Nothing more can be said.

You can rant about "the ivory towers" but these are APPLIED economists with ties to real world policy and business shit, not merely the theorists with no ties to reality.

If that's the way you want to rationalize denying the data, go for it... it's a free country.
 
Dumpy Dooby said:
What was his conclusion?


Tip: That the government should still legislate "positive" rights, but that the citizens should hold their government's feet to the fire. Still, nothing intelligent to be learned from him.


Fuck that guy. Fuckin' socialist.
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His conclusion was that there is no solution to the problems between the two. Which is largely irrelevant. The main issue people have with him as that they disagree that there are two types of liberty at all, there is merely one. What is most important is the conclusion others come away with from his writings which as I have said, paint negative liberty as to be the one we should pursue.

So I guess the real question is whether or not his writings etc. have had a positive influence in society or a negative one. I couldn't answer that question. But I can say I feel I have benefited from his work.
 
TseTse said:
I'm going to respond like a mature adult... and see how it goes... (i see you already started flaming ^)

I had asked if he thought The Economist leaned left...



You claimed The Economist was "partisan" and you are kinda doing it again.

The Economist is from the UK and is a 150+ year old institution that passionately advocates for free trade, limited government, democracy, individualism, and accountability.

You "cant say" but yet you dont seem to CARE about the truth, either... (i suspect you just wont admit it)



There is nothing flawed about it.

Listen, it's a simple survey with raw data reported.

A survey doesn't have to be "scientific" or seek to reach some type of statistical validity about the wider population. You guys keep trying to pretend the data is invalid because it's merely a survey.

It's not some serious fucking study or statistical survey to make generalizations about all economists, yet that's the standard that's being used here to judge the RAW DATA.

And what's sad is that this is your argument for calling them "partisan." That they simply asked 600+ economists to fill out a survey and reported the data objectively.

:picard:



They simply do not identify with either of the 2 parties. Nothing more can be said.

You can rant about "the ivory towers" but these are APPLIED economists with ties to real world policy and business shit, not merely the theorists with no ties to reality.

If that's the way you want to rationalize denying the data, go for it... it's a free country.
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So if I take a survey of 600 journalists from Fox news, is that representative?
 
Musashi said:
So if I take a survey of 600 journalists from Fox news, is that representative?
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Seriously...

I dont usually think of you as stupid, but did you read/comprehend what i wrote?

It is not representative. It's not trying to be representative.

If Fox surveys 600 journalists and simply reports the responses while clearly indicating it's not a scientific survey, then you just take the data for what it is without pretending it represents the wider population.

You guys keep pretending The Economist is sayign shit they did not...
 
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That they simply asked 600+ economists to fill out a survey and reported the data objectively.
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You just did it again, you're stretching the truth.

They asked 600+ economists.

So what?

Only 140 responded. The other 500 threw the survey in the trash. 14 were republican. 90% were either democrats or independents.

You can't determine ANYTHING about the larger population if your 3 demographics are a good 20-30% off their norms.
 
triple said:
You just did it again, you're stretching the truth.

They asked 600+ economists.

So what?

Only 140 responded. The other 500 threw the survey in the trash. 14 were republican. 90% were either democrats or independents.

You can't determine ANYTHING about the larger population if your 3 demographics are a good 20-30% off their norms.
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1. I said exactly what they did. They sent out a survey to 600+ economists and reported the RESULTS.

2. They did not claim it represented the wider population.

3. I love how you put democrats and independents together. Figures...
 
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TseTse said:
1. I said exactly what they did. They sent out a survey to 600+ economists and reported the RESULTS.

2. They did not claim it represented the wider population.

3. I love how you put democrats and independents together. Figures...
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But among those who study economics for a living, Mr Obama’s lead is much more commanding. A survey of academic economists by The Economist finds the majority—at times by overwhelming margins—believe Mr Obama has the superior economic plan, a firmer grasp of economics and will appoint better economic advisers.
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Now you, Academic creds, nao!
 
1. I said exactly what they did. They sent out a survey to 600+ economists and reported the RESULTS.
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They could have sent out a survey to a BILLION people. It doesn't matter! Only 140 actually FILLED IT OUT.

Fucking STUPID.
 
TseTse said:
Musashi, do you think The Economist is a lefty magazine?
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I've typed out my answer in another tab and minimized it, ready to go at any time.


Before I do, I just want to know what is your highest level of education?

Why are you so afraid? Are you ashamed? I won't hold it against you.
 
TF_Grungir said:
Please explain to me why this thread was even started then?
All this arguing over an unrepresentative, unscientific, simple survey?
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Because it was presented as a valid survey, and waved around by people like TseTse as a valid survey



Ninja Edit: still waiting, I can post it within seconds.
 
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