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I can understand how these guys lost the fight to Ziomedia, but how did these guys lose the appeal to the masses in social media? Did their wealth alienate? That they farmed animals? Owned rifles? How did they lose grass roots support?
Dildos

Candy Dildos

Lube

I take it with these care packages either the leftist loons are trolling or fully and unequivocally on board with their cause

Not sure yet on which one...but will keep you informed when I find out more
 
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I don't get how this prank was worth a grand.
$10 I could see, but whatever.
people are "keen to support" it

he could turn a nice profit off of this support
 
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Also, as I've said many times, I vote Libertarian. When that wasn't an option, I would vote Republican before the Tea Party came along. Gary Johnson will probably be the Libertarian candidate. I'd never vote for Hillary, and if it was a choice between Trump and Sanders, I'd pick Bernie.
Bull****

No Libertarian would ever vote for a Statist. None.

Voting for a Statist is to vote your liberties and freedoms away. Should be entertaining to hear your excuse how this wouldnt be so.
 
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See what you don't understand is that pirates used to mess with cargo ships. Vikings used to pillage towns.

So what those muds are doing on that bus is perfectly acceptable and we need to be tolerant
Basically, no one nation, no one race, no one religion has their hands clean. We're all insufferable ****s, or have been at some point in time. Often, it gets better. And usually, it took some outside forces or forces of nature and general hardship to make us insufferable ****s in the first place. It's not acceptable, not at all. But the reasons for their actions could be understood better, the root causes could be understood better, and a solution that doesn't involve eradicating them from the face of the planet could be found.

Honestly, apologist is a horrible term for the above. "Logical" seems more fitting.
 
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Basically, no one nation, no one race, no one religion has their hands clean. We're all insufferable ****s, or have been at some point in time. Often, it gets better. And usually, it took some outside forces or forces of nature and general hardship to make us insufferable ****s in the first place. It's not acceptable, not at all. But the reasons for their actions could be understood better, the root causes could be understood better, and a solution that doesn't involve eradicating them from the face of the planet could be found.

Honestly, apologist is a horrible term for the above. "Logical" seems more fitting.
kill urself u naive *****
 
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See I have no problem with sick hobbies and even sicko people

I just wish that cucks were forced to wallow in their own bad decisions.

Suffer directly from their intellectual shortcomings and obvious mental illnesses

Had to pay these societal costs of adopting and housing all these people. Had to watch people they love suffer from the assaults and barbality of their decisions.

Sort of like a crazy cat Lady who took in every cat she could find and now has cat piss soaking every inch of her home. Every blanket covered with both mange and feces. A person nobody visits or talks to because of how bad their life has become.

This is a fate that I am perfectly willing and wanting Rooster and LouCy, et all apologists, i mean logisticians, to experience first hand too. I simply don't want them to be able to punish and cripple society for their demento hobbies. For something they believe in but the rest of us already know the unfortunate and unsightly outcome to.
 
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No Libertarian would ever vote for a Statist. None.
There were plenty of so-called "Libertarians" supporting Ron and Rand Paul, and they're both statists. Look at their positions on abortion, gay marriage, and the legalization of drugs and you'll see in every case they believe the power to control all of them belongs to the states. Shifting control over moral issues from Federal to local governments is still placing power in the hands of government, and not supporting the liberties assured us the Constitution.

Sanders is a Democratic Socialist, and like me, he believes Capitalism cannot work in markets where there is no option to opt out: education, health care, and the justice system. You cannot force people to participate in an industry driven by profit without hurting those people.

I'd disagree with him on tax issues and other forms of social welfare, but I will always support universal healthcare, free secondary education, and I will oppose private prisons and the participation of for-profit companies in the justice system.
 
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LouCy the Libertarian believes in choice

Like that government should be your only choice

LMAO

He is to liberty what democraps are to pro choice....good choices that are good for you (as decided upon by me, for you, and enforced at gun point and mandates by our government)

Good grief...it is like opposites day
 
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LouCy the Libertarian believes in choice
I do, what about you?

What choice do you have in a system you can't opt-out of where every aspect of that system is owned or operated by a for-profit institution or company?

Student loans are the #1 source of debt in this country. Healthcare costs bankrupt people. Private prison companies lobby for mandatory sentencing and tougher laws to keep their beds full.

Keep thinking Capitalism gives you choice in these industries, because it doesn't. There is no opt-out.
 
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you mean like fining people for not wanting to pay 200$ month for less medical coverage

is that wat u mean
 
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you mean like fining people for not wanting to pay 200$ month for less medical coverage

is that wat u mean
As a supporter of universal healthcare I oppose the individual mandate, as it forces people to participate in a corrupt system. Paying a fine for not having health insurance doesn't mean you've got health insurance, so it's really a tax for nothing, which we've never had in this country before.

We would have had universal healthcare, but it was blocked by Republicans on behalf of their healthcare lobbyists and campaign donors.
 
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Lou if there wasn't an unemployment rate stuck at ~30% the student loans would be getting paid off the way they're supposed. Lots of liberal arts graduates out there, and a lot of companies moving overseas.

The question: what do you want the world to look like? what kind of jobs do you want there to be available in your locality? For tech sector jobs, the most successful people didn't even have an education.

healthcare costs bankrupt people but the industry is a cartel selling an unhealthy product and they suppress actual solutions. You are going after all the symptoms of the problem and ignoring all the roots.
 
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u just got wack'd by togo
 
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I think that was the most lucid I have ever seen Togowack
 
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Hi loucypher if you were going to choose one of these, which one? or suggest one please.

http://www.androidatc.com/pages-16/A...tion-Developer

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/lear...am-70-483.aspx

There are lots of jobs for this and I can't go back to college/uni.
 
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Lou if there wasn't an unemployment rate stuck at ~30% the student loans would be getting paid off the way they're supposed. Lots of liberal arts graduates out there, and a lot of companies moving overseas.
The unemployment rate is about 5% now according to latest figures. Student loan debt is over $1.2 trillion and the people with jobs are working more for less pay. So tell me: how do you make $1.2 trillion disappear if you could somehow magically employ the 5% (or even 30% you made up) without jobs?
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The question: what do you want the world to look like? what kind of jobs do you want there to be available in your locality? For tech sector jobs, the most successful people didn't even have an education.
The world? Or the USA? Because I'd really like the USA to look more like the rest of the world, where other civilized countries spend less on their military, have fewer people in prisons, and provide healthcare and education for their citizens.
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healthcare costs bankrupt people but the industry is a cartel selling an unhealthy product and they suppress actual solutions. You are going after all the symptoms of the problem and ignoring all the roots.
Don't you think I want those roots addressed to? We have a broken patent system on medications where a company can buy the rights to a drug and then jack up the price 5000%. A medical equipment company can charge $50 for a bandage that only costs them $5. Doctors can bill procedures multiple times re-using the same equipment.

Why? Because everyone needs and (with individual mandate) must have healthcare and insurance is going to pay for it, be it your high premium policy, or Medicare/Medicaid.

Don't just think because I support universal healthcare that I don't want serious issues of price gouging addressed. We pay more for our healthcare than any other country, free or otherwise.
 
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Student loans are the #1 source of debt in this country. Healthcare costs bankrupt people. Private prison companies lobby for mandatory sentencing and tougher laws to keep their beds full.

Keep thinking Capitalism gives you choice in these industries, because it doesn't. There is no opt-out.
Then what you describe is no longer Capitalism

You ***** about student loans...but most of them are held by gse's like Sallie Mae
Home loans....our FHA like Fannie and Freddie

Health Insurance...now GSE of the ACA

None of this is Capitalism anymore. If you don't have choices it is because either there is no money to he made in competing (gubmt market manipulation/distortion)....or you are legally not allowed to (market cronyism and corruption)

We are no more Capitalist than Socialist now. We are at best economic fascist...where we have all the societal debt and burden....all of the government central planning and corruption...but none of the benefits. Because we call those profits private and the belongings of CEO's and shareholders

I agree with you that for profit incarceration is ****ing terrible under such a bad system. Unlike other topics we might actually have some level of overlap here...but not with the way you have dishonestly framed the problem we face i am afraid to say

Because you act like government I blame for as much of this as the corporations who own them....is going to be our solution

Not more of the problem.
 
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Then what you describe is no longer Capitalism
I don't want Capitalism anywhere near healthcare, education, or the justice system. I don't want profit to be the motivation for anyone operating in those industries.

That doesn't mean that I'm against Capitalism in any industry or system where consumers have the choice to opt-out. I'm not a Socialist just because I believe some things should be socialized.
 
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You ***** about student loans...but most of them are held by gse's like Sallie Mae
Student loans taken to pay for an education of which the cost has outpaced inflation and income growth for a very long time.

You really think who holds the loan is the problem?
 
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The price gouging of that medication you described is the greatest example ever of this

And for reasons that I believe defy your reasoning

That cocksucker only gets away with what he did because there were no generics

Why were there no generics? Because so few people were on that script (6k in USA) and at such a low cost it wasn't worth it.

Until that **** raised the prices and knew it would take years for a competitor to make it through the FDA approval requirements

Despite generics already being readily available overseas, tested, proven, vetted

You would say this is an obvious ill of Capitalism. I would argue the government not letting market competition occur is what made that other guy have the ability and audacity to do such a thing in the first place

That example is a microcasm for our entire economy right now
 
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