That's exactly it, a pvp group can probably get by with 1 Warlock (if it were greater than 5, if its a 5man, Warlock = a waste), like I've said a million times but some people want to make us out to be on the level of the other classes, when we just aren't. We have a very minor role and even though we have a big bag of tricks, we aren't very focused on 1 particular area, so other classes that specialize in there role contribute much more to teamplay then a Warlock that has a bazillion half-assed tricks. I don't care what numbers they pull out of there ass.Hobbiticus said:So, has the question been answered as to how warlocks can stack better than mages, priests or hunters (which is the real issue here in order to have a reason to have more than 1 warlock in a group), or what kind of situations warlocks accel at over other classes? I'm interested to see if you warlocks can answer that, because I havn't seen a lot of explaination on the subject, but rather lots of subject changing and useless rambling.
Basically, what would make 5 warlocks better than 5 mages, or 5 priests, or 5 hunters given 35 other balanced members of a raid party? How about in the specific situations of what battlegrounds will likely consist of, which are defending/capturing fortified objectives?
Also a quick question - if warlock pets are considered demons, can warlocks of the opposing factions enslave your infernal or doomguard or what have you?
Forensic said:if your super great secret sword of storms owning the server tactic is to dot people, not to kill them, but just to make them "back off"....
why not use priests to dot?
Shadow Word: Pain (INSTANT cast)
A word of darkness that causes 852 Shadow damage over 18 sec.
Improved Shadow Wordain talent ups this to 993 damage over 21 seconds.
Shadoweaving talent increases this by 3% to 1023 damage over 21 seconds.
Shadowform talent ups this to 1176 damage over 21 seconds.
Add in a Vampiric embrace and this spell also heals your entire party for 235 damage per person.
Corruption (2.5 second cast)
Corrupts the target, causing 666 Shadow damage over 27 sec.
With shadow mastery this becomes 733 damage over 27 seconds.
With improved corruption you can make it a .5 second cast...
... but big deal! Shadow Wordain is already instant, no talents neccesary
SWP kicks corruption's ass.
Priests also have mind blast, the best nuke in the game, as well as heals, shield, mind flay, mind control...
And then they put on their dreadmist robe and own even more!
it's official, warlocks suck and they don't deserve dreadmist. give it to the shadowpriests plz
btw hobbs i am level 47 now suck it
oh and zentse, no one makes a warrior to do damage rofl. yes mages do damage... warriors..? you noob :>
Brofam said:Am I the only warlock that uses a vw in pvp for their damage shield? cuz at lvl 47 right now, it gives me 1150 shielded.
Why would I need one of those? I use selfcast...Pagy said:druids and mages often forget
and expecting a mage to dispel shit in a huge fight is a stretch
sure you can make a taget self, last target macro but most idiots dont
StreakinMe said:Have fun solo'ing the endgame because nobody in their right mind will fill up a raid slot with a shadow priest.
ZenTseTse said:while i think they have a major role to play, that role does NOT grow with the size of the team in terms of the dynamics at play in group pvp.
I still solo with my VW for sacrifice. It has saved me a ton from being ganked, even at 60. I can usually finish off the mob and still kill the dumbshit who keeps attacking me even though I'm bubbled.Brofam said:Am I the only warlock that uses a vw in pvp for their damage shield? cuz at lvl 47 right now, it gives me 1150 shielded.
"support"Hobbiticus said:And that role is.... ?