Warlock buffs next patch.
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I like this change, alot. I have alot of +crit gear already, along with the +crit talents, (and hopefully once that bitch ass beast skins me his pristine hide) another 2% in my headpiece - i'll be at 39% crit chance for Searing Pain, and 29% for all my other spells.
Its really not that bad, i wipe the floor with every class but priests now (who rape me in my anus like I do with Blotter in the Tribes series).
Because i crit so often, and have a boatload of hp, i'm not so reliant on my CC anymore. If have the opening to make the fear cast, then great I will. The best part about it is when I fear, and get counterspelled/kicked - i have my entire fire line to go down and still be effective.
Shards and the whole Enslave Demon/Purge/Dispel issue are ones I'd like to see changed - and then the bugs like the Pet Pathing.
But i'm optimistic! While the Warlock could and probably will get some love in the next 6 months from the devs, even right now I'm enjoying that i'm not so reliant on any one skill. You always get those other classes that complain whenever skill abc got resisted or was still on cooldown, and its nice not to have that same annoyance.
Its really not that bad, i wipe the floor with every class but priests now (who rape me in my anus like I do with Blotter in the Tribes series).
Because i crit so often, and have a boatload of hp, i'm not so reliant on my CC anymore. If have the opening to make the fear cast, then great I will. The best part about it is when I fear, and get counterspelled/kicked - i have my entire fire line to go down and still be effective.
Shards and the whole Enslave Demon/Purge/Dispel issue are ones I'd like to see changed - and then the bugs like the Pet Pathing.
But i'm optimistic! While the Warlock could and probably will get some love in the next 6 months from the devs, even right now I'm enjoying that i'm not so reliant on any one skill. You always get those other classes that complain whenever skill abc got resisted or was still on cooldown, and its nice not to have that same annoyance.
the last patch made pm have a high chance of breaking *on players* in 15 secondsBlotter said:
i was sheeped by someone 10 levels over me the other day and it lasted 12 seconds.
i think you're confused with how long it lasts on mobs and how long it lasts on players.
cone of cold is a close range snare... oh wow no other class has snares.
arcane missiles... wow no other class has attack spells
ice barrier? wait a asecond, you are saying an ice mage has more single target dps than a warlock?
i disagree that warlocks are useless in group pvp.
my guildmate is 30/21 spec, he throws level 1 corruption on every badguy he sees, casts COS on the designated target, then starts SPAMMING instacast shadowbolts with nightfall. stuff dies fast. real fast. he also has the longest-ranged instacast snare in the game.
my alt is arms/fury warrior. proving to be even more fun than my rogue.
my guildmate is 30/21 spec, he throws level 1 corruption on every badguy he sees, casts COS on the designated target, then starts SPAMMING instacast shadowbolts with nightfall. stuff dies fast. real fast. he also has the longest-ranged instacast snare in the game.
my alt is arms/fury warrior. proving to be even more fun than my rogue.
i'm just learning these things and a mage will probably be the next character i create.Pagy said:
im not looking forward to rerolling and playing with a crapload of shitty pickups group. i do not enjoy the grind to 60....
its not whining, its the truth. we have a very small role and its not really that important, most of the time.
if soNot worth getting, VW is really only good for soloing and as far as the 3 dots go, corruption and CoA first wait for voidwalker to taunt 2 or 3 times than cast immolate. Immolate is what will cause aggro to switch eventually, corruption and curse of agony have very small threat but immolate generates a lot (especially on crits). It would be nice to have the extra effectiveness but isn't at all necessary.StarZ said:
They should always go for the warlock first because the Warlock won't be able to pvp for long if they keep losing shards.ZenTseTse said:
this isnt news to anybody who has played a lvl 60 lock for a while...
just a few snaps during a few minutes in Strath... and im not even spec'd for shadow damage... and i have crappy gear... and didnt have pet attacking.
during this same baron run, i saved my priest's ass several times. i passed out a dozen or more healthshards. likewise, i pulled taunt from the 2 warriors and rogue many times... (although not for long) by just doing casual dps.
and that doesnt count succubus CC & fear options for pvp... (or doomguard/infernals for that matter)
in fact, i think there is another reason people go for warlocks and priests in pvp initially (if they are smart) and that's cuz locks are brutal when played well, as they are flexible for raw dps or just doing support stuff.
likewise, there is a reason so many folks whine about warlocks being "overpowered"... (although i disagree)
just a few snaps during a few minutes in Strath... and im not even spec'd for shadow damage... and i have crappy gear... and didnt have pet attacking.
during this same baron run, i saved my priest's ass several times. i passed out a dozen or more healthshards. likewise, i pulled taunt from the 2 warriors and rogue many times... (although not for long) by just doing casual dps.
and that doesnt count succubus CC & fear options for pvp... (or doomguard/infernals for that matter)
in fact, i think there is another reason people go for warlocks and priests in pvp initially (if they are smart) and that's cuz locks are brutal when played well, as they are flexible for raw dps or just doing support stuff.
likewise, there is a reason so many folks whine about warlocks being "overpowered"... (although i disagree)
im only 54 and have solo'ed the whole time almost as my guild was already higher level when i got the game
usually pull with CoA then corruption, then cast drain life, once its finished lifetap and cast immo, then drain life until its dead.. pet usually holds aggro but seems like last few levels it breaks off my VW when its about 20-25% life
usually pull with CoA then corruption, then cast drain life, once its finished lifetap and cast immo, then drain life until its dead.. pet usually holds aggro but seems like last few levels it breaks off my VW when its about 20-25% life
StarZ said:
sounds about right...
when you get to 57-60 stuff, you'll be grouping a ton more. and in the larger groups, i yhink you want to back off the DoTs actually and just focus on Curse of Elements/Shadow depending on what teammates are doing (i.e. if yall are mostly doing shadow or fire damage, use appropriate curse).
likewise, i know folks play locks differently but i try to stay flexible and in a PVE support role (i.e. keep 1/2 mana and all my health) unless there is a boss in which case i use CoS+SB spam along with dark pact/lifetap (i cycle them only when dark pact isnt good enough). normally in PVE raids i use my imp.
in large PvP i pull out the succubus and basically play like a counter-puncher.
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Jambalaya Pretzelstein
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stop dueling in town and get some real pvp
tse, why are you posting images of dps in pve?
my level 35 mage can literally do 2000 dps grinding on camps of murlocs. (extremely contrived and rare situation) Those pictures don't impress anyone. (Are you SERIOUSLY bragging about doing 207 dps in stratholme?)
Who was it that called Cone of Cold a snare..? Cone of cold is only the highest dps AoE spell in the game I guess the only use is the chill effect? You don't use CoC for the snare you do it for the extremely high dps.
Are warlocks good 1v1 duelers? ... I don't really care. I just don't care.
In large scale pvp you don't use poly, it's irrelevant. No mage will poly in 20v20 fight they will be dishing damage as quickly as they possibly can.
So anyway
Warlocks can't really kill anything, they have cheesy out-of-combat utility such as soulstones and summon. The pets are a nonfactor in large scale pvp. The dots are nearly worthless due to the 8slot debuff limit and the limited usefulness of dots in pvp anyway. They lack versatility. The fear, especially the AoE fear, is nice. Downsides are that any competant horde guild is going to be majority undead and immune to fear. Any competant alliance guild is going to have a large number of Glimmering Mithril Insignias which make them immune to fear. Nevertheless, the AoE fear is useful and so is the single target. But is it MORE useful than say, a mage that can do 750dps PER PERSON in a 10 yard radius over 6 seconds then go immune to all negative effects and damage for 10 seconds? Or a shadow priest that can AoE fear and also heal, nuke and dot better than a warlock?
Or a hunter that can aim shot from range again and again for 2400 damage crits? And also has pets? And a mana drain? Not to mention extremely long range and low mana reliance?
Bloodpact is nice though. Shadowburn is nice too but don't run out of shards, and you're basically imitating a mage anyway. Locks give up other things that mages have so they can get pets, dots and curses - things which are nearly completely irrelevant in large scale pvp.
But really, warlocks are a wasted slot in large scale group pvp. That player could be much more effective as a mage/hunter/druid/priest/rogue/warrior/shaman
I'm not sure why TW has so many damn warlocks
tse, why are you posting images of dps in pve?
my level 35 mage can literally do 2000 dps grinding on camps of murlocs. (extremely contrived and rare situation) Those pictures don't impress anyone. (Are you SERIOUSLY bragging about doing 207 dps in stratholme?)
Who was it that called Cone of Cold a snare..? Cone of cold is only the highest dps AoE spell in the game
I guess the only use is the chill effect? You don't use CoC for the snare you do it for the extremely high dps.Are warlocks good 1v1 duelers? ... I don't really care. I just don't care.
In large scale pvp you don't use poly, it's irrelevant. No mage will poly in 20v20 fight they will be dishing damage as quickly as they possibly can.
So anyway
Warlocks can't really kill anything, they have cheesy out-of-combat utility such as soulstones and summon. The pets are a nonfactor in large scale pvp. The dots are nearly worthless due to the 8slot debuff limit and the limited usefulness of dots in pvp anyway. They lack versatility. The fear, especially the AoE fear, is nice. Downsides are that any competant horde guild is going to be majority undead and immune to fear. Any competant alliance guild is going to have a large number of Glimmering Mithril Insignias which make them immune to fear. Nevertheless, the AoE fear is useful and so is the single target. But is it MORE useful than say, a mage that can do 750dps PER PERSON in a 10 yard radius over 6 seconds then go immune to all negative effects and damage for 10 seconds? Or a shadow priest that can AoE fear and also heal, nuke and dot better than a warlock?
Or a hunter that can aim shot from range again and again for 2400 damage crits? And also has pets? And a mana drain? Not to mention extremely long range and low mana reliance?
Bloodpact is nice though. Shadowburn is nice too but don't run out of shards, and you're basically imitating a mage anyway. Locks give up other things that mages have so they can get pets, dots and curses - things which are nearly completely irrelevant in large scale pvp.
But really, warlocks are a wasted slot in large scale group pvp. That player could be much more effective as a mage/hunter/druid/priest/rogue/warrior/shaman
I'm not sure why TW has so many damn warlocks
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Jambalaya Pretzelstein
Veteran X
also
tse
tell your warriors to stop rending and your druids to cut it out with the faerie fire
those are serious wastes of debuff slots. some classes have useful things to put there.
the 3x moonfire is kind of grottie as well makes me question your druid
having said all that, it's not that warlocks are useless in large scale pvp, it's that any more than 1 and you're really just crippling your team. You certainly don't need 1 either. 1 is the maximum. If you want ranged damage you take a mage or hunter, if you want AoE you get a mage, if you want a support class you take a druid or priest or even a paladin or shaman. Warlocks don't really have an important role they just imitate mages by shadowburning then running out of shards in 5 minutes and being... a total gimp.
tse
tell your warriors to stop rending and your druids to cut it out with the faerie fire
those are serious wastes of debuff slots. some classes have useful things to put there.
the 3x moonfire is kind of grottie as well makes me question your druid
having said all that, it's not that warlocks are useless in large scale pvp, it's that any more than 1 and you're really just crippling your team. You certainly don't need 1 either. 1 is the maximum. If you want ranged damage you take a mage or hunter, if you want AoE you get a mage, if you want a support class you take a druid or priest or even a paladin or shaman. Warlocks don't really have an important role they just imitate mages by shadowburning then running out of shards in 5 minutes and being... a total gimp.
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