Originally Posted by aScotiA

I said I wouldn't do this anymore, but I can't allow the ignorant ramblings to continue unanswered.

One of the main criticisms of Hillary Clinton from both the right and the left has always been that she is aggressively hawkish and has a history of overstepping her bounds, particularly during her tenure as Secretary of State. You know one person who really ****ing hates Hillary Clinton? Vladimir Putin. She represented perhaps the biggest thorn in his side during her time at the State Department. Seeing Hillary Clinton as President would have been the absolute worst case scenario for Putin.

So when you're executing an influence campaign against a foreign adversary (i.e. the United States), with the very specific goal of keeping Hillary Clinton out of the Oval Office, what do you do? The answer should be clear, you attempt to help her opponents with whatever surruptitious means are available to you in order to switch delegates and/or electoral college votes out of her column and into her opponents' columns.

When you have a strong primary candidate running against Hillary, such as Bernie Sanders, it only helped to bolster Putin's opportunity for success. Ultimately, Bernie fell short of the nomination due to the criminal rigging and commandeering (IMO) of the DNC by the Clinton campaign. Sanders wasn't colluding, he was simply Hillary's opponent, and so was Jill Stein. The enemy of Putin's enemy is Putin's friend.

You're always so quick to point out that Bernie famously tried to help Hillary win the election despite the way she ****ed him over. The real reason he did it was because he saw the dangerous implications of a Trump presidency. If Putin was truly "colluding" with Bernie, was he also trying to help Hillary by telling Bernie to campaign for her? It doesn't make sense. Your entire argument crumbles apart when you apply actual history and logic to the equation.

That being said, votes for Bernie were only relevant in the primaries. Votes for Jill Stein however, really could have been the deciding factor in swaying the general election to Trump. I'll admit that I don't know much about Jill Stein but regardless of what is known about her, she may have been Hillary's Ross Perot in the 2016 election. One of the primary things I do remember about Jill Stein is when she was seated at the same table with Putin and Michael Flynn at the RT (Russia Today) event early in her campaign. My personal theory of why she was at that event is because she was struggling desperately to remain relevant and hoped to raise her international clout by attending a foreign event with a powerful world leader. That's in contrast to your very questionable theory of her swearing fealty to Putin.

This particular stunt by Stein probably had almost zero effect in the real world because neither side believed she could win. Putin and Stein didn't have an incentive to collude. What's most important is that if an influence campaign was successful in raising her profile from "hopelessly negligible" to "slightly more than negligible", this could have had real tangible effects on the election; especially if there is an aggressive and concurrent Russian bot army spamming #HillaryForPrison and #LockHerUp on all forms of social media with 50% of America slurping it up like thirsty lapdogs.

up until that point i am almost 100% in agreement with you

i skipped to the bottom before because i figured the rest was fanatical arm wailing like i got out of your last two TDS posts

i was really getting worried that someone who seemed as educated as you, as articulate as you, could really buy up every piece of late night tv globalist gossip without even questioning it....without even thinking of another way it could or should be viewed outside of a rather neoconservative prism.

i am comforted to know this isn't entirely the case......but it is clear that we don't see eye to eye on the point or purpose of our government and its role in our daily lives to our imperialist platform in geopolitical affairs.

The Limits of Power: The End of American Exceptionalism (American Empire Project)

this guy falls more along my lines and on the course we are on we will be in another global conflict in the next decade......if not just in Syria (full out), then with Iran, North Korea, or possibly in another full out Cold War with both China and Iran.

I'm not sure if Trump hurts or helps that but I know we have already discussed that Hillary was far more of a warhawk than he is.......hence why Putin very likely did all he could to keep her out of office.

If you want to go to war and push for the next world war i guess she really would have been a better candidate for everyone

Originally Posted by [MD5]Hash

His name was Seth Rich.

yep

to this day, no citizen has seen any evidence that Russia hacked the DNC. it's all been hearsay by CrowdStrike, a third party company hired by Perkins Coie and the DNC.

In its capacity as attorney for the DNC, Perkins Coie – through another of its partners, Michael Sussman – is also the law firm that retained CrowdStrike, the cyber security outfit, upon learning in April 2016 that the DNC’s servers had been hacked. Interesting: Despite the patent importance of the physical server system to the FBI and Intelligence-Community investigation of Russian meddling in the 2016 election, the Bureau never examined the DNC servers. Evidently, the DNC declined to cooperate to that degree, and the Obama Justice Department decided not to issue a subpoena to demand that the servers be turned over (just like the Obama Justice Department decided not to issue subpoenas to demand the surrender of critical physical evidence in the Clinton e-mails investigation). Instead, the conclusion that Russia is responsible for the invasion of the DNC servers rests on the forensic analysis conducted by CrowdStrike. Rather than do its own investigation, the FBI relied on a contractor retained by the DNC’s lawyers.

Read more at: Scandals Collide Dossier DNC Server Perkins Coie | National Review

but you'll never get ascotia to understand that, because he's a ****ing retard.

i just don't understand listening to or entertaining the war of drum crowds by Bill Kristol, Evan McMullin, John McCain, and Mitt Romney types.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmIRYvJQeHM

and you tell me the opposite of this, President Donald Trump, is the dangerous one that I should be the most worried with and about?

I mean his bull**** might just reunite Korea into one nation again after more than half a century divided.......guy deserves the Nobel Peace Prize by comparison

you know that

Originally Posted by Captain Tele

I'm not sure if Trump hurts or helps that but I know we have already discussed that Hillary was far more of a warhawk than he is.......hence why Putin very likely did all he could to keep her out of office.

If you want to go to war and push for the next world war i guess she really would have been a better candidate for everyone

That's where we fundamentally disagree. This is the guy who drops MOABs in random spots in the Afghan desert to kill a few random terrorists just to take the heat off his back during the scandal-of-the-week, and the same guy who purposely misses all of the important targets at a Syrian airbase as "retaliation" against Russia. Increases troop numbers drastically without congressional approval or official announcements. Then he decides it's a good time to take it to the brink with Kim Jung Un for almost zero reason while millions of lives hang in the balance

That's just a few examples off the top of my head. Hillary wouldn't be doing anything 1/10th as provocative as the **** Trump has pulled in just one year.

dp

Originally Posted by havax

yep

but you'll never get ascotia to understand that, because he's a ****ing retard.

it almost seems like he wants to try but then he gets emotional about it and his brain just starts short circuiting to ****

his chin foam spews and he does the opposite of what i consider rational or sensible

just resorts to talking points off of comedy central

BuzzFeed Sues DNC For Information Regarding Alleged Russian Email Hack

i mean we so sure that DNC got hacked.....but here is buzzfeed the dossier publisher not even buying that anymore

surely aScotiA knows more about this than they do though

Originally Posted by aScotiA

That's where we fundamentally disagree. This is the guy who drops MOABs in random spots in the Afghan desert just to kill a few random terrorists, and the same guy who purposely misses all of the important targets at a Syrian airbase as "retaliation" against Russia. Increases troop numbers drastically without congressional approval or official announcements. Then he decides it's a good time to take it to the brink with Kim Jung Un for almost zero reason while millions of lives hang in the balance

That's just a few examples off the top of my head. Hillary wouldn't be doing anything 1/10th as provocative as the **** Trump has pulled in just one year.

really? the ***** tried to start world war 3 with Russia! for ****s sake, stfu. you clearly have no idea wtf you are talking about.

did a Russian bot tell you that?

memo #2 coming! CHECKMATE GUYS

Originally Posted by aScotiA

That's where we fundamentally disagree. This is the guy who drops MOABs in random spots in the Afghan desert just to kill a few random terrorists, and the same guy who purposely misses all of the important targets at a Syrian airbase as "retaliation" against Russia.

so you are saying he didn't try to kill enough people in Afghanistan but you are still accusing him of being the bigger warmonger still?

that he used the MOABs as an exhibition of strength instead of just killing people all over an already destroyed and war torn Syria?

I am not sure these are strong arguments....they confirm my stance

Originally Posted by aScotiA

Increases troop numbers drastically without congressional approval or official announcements. Then he decides it's a good time to take it to the brink with Kim Jung Un for almost zero reason while millions of lives hang in the balance

that one was pretty silly

but it sure did force people to talk (outside of him and Kim Jong-Un)

I mean what we are seeing between North and South Korea is unprecedented in our lifetime. Kim is actually going to meet with South Korean leadership in South Korea after the winter Olympics.

China was even forced to get off the fence and take some kind of stance.

I am not an advocate of Art of War but Trump clearly is and follows it pretty well from what I can see.

Originally Posted by aScotiA

That's just a few examples off the top of my head. Hillary wouldn't be doing anything 1/10th as provocative as the **** Trump has pulled in just one year.

Uhhhhhhhh dude she just straight up sang songs about killing others leaders

Assad would be dead now and whatever would back fill him would be another Iraq debacle 3.0

and don't get me started on what she would do to Iran

Hillary Clinton Goes to Militaristic, Hawkish Think Tank, Gives Militaristic, Hawkish Speech

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfpgl6NqF0I

russia is amazing its about time the us and russia became close allies

trump/putin/stormy/pence 2020

Originally Posted by chaiwalla

russia is amazing its about time the us and russia became close allies

trump/putin/stormy/pence 2020

no we must blame them for all of our problems and piss them off about Syria and put Clinton in the whitehouse because that will make everything better.

i mean all day i listen to red line in sand **** by NATO and CFR groups

every neocon is group quivering with anticipation to just full on invade Syria

Trump is pretty much their only obstacle......that should really concern you

he spent one day being an exhibitionist with tomahawks against them (at soft targets) and other than that the swamp and Congress have been doing the rest.

But that is Bill Clinton bombing Iraq versus George Bush Jr. occupying them differentiation

From Bush Jr. to Obama, to Hillary and Kerry, that is a huge seperation from policy of the past decade (and don't even get me started on McCain)

ascotia's big criticisms of trump are russians influencing the election, which had nothing to do with trump, and a few random bomb drops when hillary destabilized an entire country and region that led to the migrant crisis in europe and released a ****ton of imprisoned al-qaeda operatives. and she did that as secretary of state.

Originally Posted by havax

no we must blame them for all of our problems and piss them off about Syria and put Clinton in the whitehouse because that will make everything better.

you guys been watching the dollar index lately?

DXY - U.S. Dollar Index (DXY) - MarketWatch

5% drop already this year.......

between that and the 3 Trillion that China monetized out of thin air (last week) we seem to be wondering where all the global inflation is stemming from

the petro dollar is on the brink and if we can't kill off our competition in both Russia and China a war will be forced to do so. Otherwise the debts and deficits can't be repaid and the lenders know that.

the battle over the world reserve currency status is in full fight right now.......that is all any of this is about or has ever been about.

same battle we did against Russia in the same places since the late 70's

The End Of The Petrodollar? China Unveils Oil-Futures Launch Date | Zero Hedge

Russia Is Taking Over Syria’s Oil And Gas | Zero Hedge

Moscow And Beijing Join Forces To Bypass US Dollar In Global Markets, Shift To Gold Trade | Zero Hedge

Originally Posted by Ixiterra

ascotia's big criticisms of trump are russians influencing the election, which had nothing to do with trump, and a few random bomb drops when hillary destabilized an entire country and region that led to the migrant crisis in europe and released a ****ton of imprisoned al-qaeda operatives. and she did that as secretary of state.

always the voice of reason

poor FBI not a good day for you today





ouch



LOL

Originally Posted by Captain Tele

LOL

Jesus ****ing Christ... So that's what Russian collusion looks like?

Originally Posted by [MD5]Hash

Jesus ****ing Christ... So that's what Russian collusion looks like?

so apparently the #NOTMYPRESIDENT hashtag they love was also invented by some of these same Russians

I mean the Hillary and Obama thing felt circle.....but this just brings it all home

imagine if you were part of a group of trolls who sparked a civil war in the USA