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Originally Posted by mjoe
oh, he forgot to add in the rotation of the earth and the wind. the point is that this is not a hypothetical model, these are basic laws of the universe that are not being followed. the distance between what is observed and what would occur as a result of the official explanation is not a minor error in the model.
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I'm really confused now. What is the "official explanation" you refer to? That two planes struck the towers and that those impacts and the heat from burning jet fuel caused the structures to weaken and then collapse? The data you refer to doesn't even seem to be universally accepted (a few posts up someone else posts data claiming the buildings didn't free fall) and then people apply what are complex explanations of what "should have" (according to their understanding of theories involved) happened and then conclude that it didn't? If I could use math to prove to you that you don't have a brain would you believe me just because I'm studying for my PhD?
Stop your arrogance about the "correctness" of your model simply because of its "basic laws" (that's what the inventors of your model would say by the way). The towers were quite complex structures with forces pulling in many different directions at many thousands of different points. You think that's basic? You know what's basic? The ****ing weather. Does that mean we can predict the path of hurricanes more than a couple days in advance? You know what's basic? Missile design. You through a ****ing bomb in a tube and let it go. Of course these things aren't basic. A missile isn't basic because when you actually try to build it you find the million problems you were ignorant of before. The weather isn't basic simply because of how self-connected the system is.
And calling a model a "model" doesn't denigrate it. It's a ****ing model. Einsteins laws are mathematical models. Newton's laws are mathematical models. They're simply mathematical rules which hopefully hold true in reality and are assumed to hold true within the model. They don't always apply. They were designed to explain only certain phenomena. They might even luckily explained other phenomena (which means there's probably something deeper involved) but that's not that usual. But that doesn't mean that they don't break down at the edges. Many people build buildings and even try to design from planes hitting them. How many experiments did they get to test their designs? Not a single damn one. So the fact that the buildings stood at all is pretty impressive to me.
In the end I honestly don't care much about what people think about 9/11, but the illogical/arrogant "science" that gets thrown around depresses me. I've seen so many people be so stubborn in their belief that their modeling is irrefutable that they can't ****ing look at what's right in front of them and be humbled by what they see. I guess that's just life.