Las Vegas/Mandalay Bay mass shooting

Livingdeath said:
The only way to ban automatic rifles is to ban semi-automatic rifles. There is no way around it. It's just completely trivial to purchase the pin and the kit. Almost every redneck I know privately brags about owning the kit for a rainy day, so yea its about as common as you can get.

Look at one point society needs to decide what is the fundamental purpose of arming its population.

It needs to decide whether its about having a militia willing and able to rebel against the tyranny of government or whether its about allowing people to shoot birds and home protection.

The latter does not need semi automatic weapons... Shotguns and rifles will do.
The former is imo both a ridiculous prospect (good luck using your awesome ARs against military drones, tanks, and f22s) and a idea that is hopelessly dated. We have found that there are better methods of dissent in order to enact political change.
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As if they wont find other ways. The problem are the people not the weapons. If someone wants to do something like this you think guns being illegal are going to matter? What a fucking joke. They were illegal in europe too and they still found a way. Not just that but making firearms illegal will 100% create a black market for them and all the associated violent crime that will come with
 
God. Anthony Jeselnick hit it so right on the head.

I love seeing celebrites and iG models posting shit like "praying for Las Vegas. You're all in my thoughts." I'm pretty sure the last thing the victims are doing is checking to see if they're trending and who's praying for them.
 
nigafool said:
i don't know what the solution is

but we do keep breaking mass-killing records

at some point you have to try to do something, right? or is the answer really "oh well sometimes ppl are gonna do stuff like this and we'd better have our twitter thoughts and prayers ready to go"?
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Honestly, its the latter. There is a price to pay for living in a free society.
 
cael said:
there's a price to pay so that rednecks can have their toys
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2/3 of gun deaths are suicides, 1/2 of those are white males over 45. You should be thrilled. The other 1/3 are homicides, 2/3 of which are black gang members.
 
RumbledFeathers said:
As if they wont find other ways. The problem are the people not the weapons. If someone wants to do something like this you think guns being illegal are going to matter? What a fucking joke. They were illegal in europe too and they still found a way. Not just that but making firearms illegal will 100% create a black market for them and all the associated violent crime that will come with
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I dont know what planet you live on if you think banning semi automatic (not handguns) and fully automatic weapons would not drastically reduce the deaths in killing sprees in the US.

And dont you think there already is a black market for guns in the US? Sure is, but criminals and gangs fortunatly usually only kill eachother.
 
Fool said:
2/3 of gun deaths are suicides, 1/2 of those are white males over 45. You should be thrilled. The other 1/3 are homicides, 2/3 of which are black gang members.
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this was a suicide of a white male over 45
 
Osiris said:
I dont know what planet you live on if you think banning semi automatic (not handguns) and fully automatic weapons would not drastically reduce the deaths in killing sprees in the US.

And dont you think there already is a black market for guns in the US? Sure is, but criminals and gangs fortunatly usually only kill eachother.
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Full autos are already banned. Didn't stop this shooting. Most "mass" shootings as they are described are committed with hand guns.

You're asking for illegal weapons to be made illegal so people with murderous intent can't obtain them, as if they will respect the law.
 
Osiris said:
I dont know what planet you live on if you think banning semi automatic (not handguns) and fully automatic weapons would not drastically reduce the deaths in killing sprees in the US.
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what does drastically reduce the deaths in killing sprees in the US realistically mean? what's the value in cutting 100 deaths in 3 years down to 60 or 40? what does that even solve and at what cost?

how do you even measure what's worse? 1 event in one year where a dude with a machine gun mows down 100 people, or 5 events in one year where an individual goes on a stabbing spree and nets 10 a piece for 50 total. why and how does body count matter even in the slightest? if body count is such an important metric then we should just ban cars tomorrow to save countless lives
 
Fool said:
Full autos are already banned. Didn't stop this shooting. Most "mass" shootings as they are described are committed with hand guns.

You're asking for illegal weapons to be made illegal so people with murderous intent can't obtain them, as if they will respect the law.
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Im asking for semiautomatics excluding handguns to be banned as well.

Will it stop people murdering eachother? No. Will it reduce it? Yes.
And the fact that this crank trigger is legal is quite honestly mindblowing.
 
:( fuck me. I guess/hope that being Vegas, this at least wasn't a concert with heaps of kids attending

my desire to go to LV one day just took a small, but perceptible, hit
 
Osiris said:
Im asking for semiautomatics excluding handguns to be banned as well.

Will it stop people murdering eachother? No. Will it reduce it? Yes.
And the fact that this crank trigger is legal is quite honestly mindblowing.
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you should check murder rates of pistols versus assault rifles
 
Flash said:
Honestly, its the latter. There is a price to pay for living in a free society.
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i bet there are other countries whose residents consider themselves "free" that have stricter weapons regulation than we do. so i don't know if i agree with that.

but in practice there will be a lot of wasted breath over the next few years. these things are gonna keep happening, the NRA is still gonna have a bunch of money in the game and for every decent idea to limit guns or track their whereabouts, someone will be there prepared to explain why it won't work or limits freedoms or whatever.

my guess is that there will be a breaking point... and it will lead to useless or arbitrary legislation and people will feel good until the next mass shooting. i'm surprised it didn't happen after sandy hook. kids getting shot in the face is usually bad press.
 
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