Without reading the thread. You can teach kids morals without teaching a religion. I didn't need some invisible parents figure telling me how to be a good person because I had my parents actually using discipline unlike parents today. The religion part is just an easier way to say to their kids if you fuck up I don't have to be the one to punish you, God will, and he will send you to hell if you are a bad person. Fuck that.
[Religion] "I want my kids to decide for themselves"
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im smart enough to realize an ad hominem as desperation in the argument. there is no point in going any further.
Lothar of the Hillpeople
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There are contradictions in the bible? You don't say. I know I'm shocked. How about you guys?
Lothar of the Hillpeople
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What's this about Blizzard now?
High Fidelity
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Let me spell it out for you:If you walk up to a fat person and say, "You're a fatass" and expect them to take it, but instead they get upset, the problem isn't with them, it's with you. The natural human condition demands that life simply can not be black and white, as you would have it. If someone is fat and it's a problem, calling them fat is counter-productive. It's "Why are you fat?" not "You are fat!" Doubt and self-esteem issues are psychological flaws and weaknesses that can not be addressed in a cut-and-dry manner.
This is why I would guess that you are lonely and, by extension, depressed. It's hard for anyone to find good companionship when they deny those things that make people human.
Maybe someday your way of handling things will be the correct way, but for now it isn't. The world isn't ready for in-your-face honesty. Coincidentally, all of this doubt and shame was created by religion. There needs to be a gradual easing in, which will take decades if not centuries.
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-=TTC=-Serpreme
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Saying it negatively is bad. Telling them they are obese and need to seek help isnt.
If you walk up to a fat person and say, "You're a fatass" and expect them to take it, but instead they get upset, the problem isn't with them, it's with you. The natural human condition demands that life simply can not be black and white, as you would have it. If someone is fat and it's a problem, calling them fat is counter-productive. It's "Why are you fat?" not "You are fat!" Doubt and self-esteem issues are psychological flaws and weaknesses that can not be addressed in a cut-and-dry manner.
This is why I would guess that you are lonely and, by extension, depressed. It's hard for anyone to find good companionship when they deny those things that make people human.
Maybe someday your way of handling things will be the correct way, but for now it isn't. The world isn't ready for in-your-face honesty. Coincidentally, all of this doubt and shame was created by religion. There needs to be a gradual easing in, which will take decades if not centuries.
Truth should never hurt.
If you walk up to a fat person and say, "You're a fatass" and expect them to take it, but instead they get upset, the problem isn't with them, it's with you. The natural human condition demands that life simply can not be black and white, as you would have it. If someone is fat and it's a problem, calling them fat is counter-productive. It's "Why are you fat?" not "You are fat!" Doubt and self-esteem issues are psychological flaws and weaknesses that can not be addressed in a cut-and-dry manner.
This is why I would guess that you are lonely and, by extension, depressed. It's hard for anyone to find good companionship when they deny those things that make people human.
Maybe someday your way of handling things will be the correct way, but for now it isn't. The world isn't ready for in-your-face honesty. Coincidentally, all of this doubt and shame was created by religion. There needs to be a gradual easing in, which will take decades if not centuries.
i explained, reasoned, showed evidence, etc first. it didnt sink in at all... therefore i declared togo delusional.
reread the thread if you care so much as to nickpick my every word.
if you insist on insulting me based on loose assumptions you're no different than togo. if you must know im happily married, great career, etc etc.
Sorry Loggy.
First, I said 'during Jesus' lifetime'. There is zero archeological evidence of any town or inhabitants of the area of Nazareth through the periods known as the Babylonian/Persian period [c 586BC] until the Roman I period [c37-70 AD]. None. There was a city nearby, which used that area as an ossuary - a cemetery. Do you understand what that means?
Jews would NEVER build a town over a burial ground, if they knew it was there. The nearby city was destroyed during one of the Hebrew revolts, and the area lay dormant until after jesus' supposed lifetime was well over.
Two of the major 'archeologists' who claimed to have found evidence of it being a town as described in the Bible [which incidentally gets the town's geography dead wrong], were both PRIESTS.
Why don't you lead by example and tell them religion (all religion) is a load of shit.
Religion is useful for two things. Keeping the stupid in line, for fear of eternal damnation, or giving hope to the old and sick.
So religion has its place. I just wouldn't start my kids off in life by imparting beliefs that I know to be untrue.
I can safely bet that you are not a theodish Asatruar. Since you promote some form of Abrahamism of the Christian bent, my statement is true.
Are you trying to throw some kind of No True Scotsman fallacy in here for some reason - some who claim they are Christians really aren't? What's the point?
In the context of the statement at hand, that being, do you or do you not include yourself among the saved in the saved/damned dichotomy you yourself presented as fact.... your personal answer will, in fact, mark true or false my conclusion that only those who think they are saved offer this dichotomy as being valid. It is a simple conclusion to reach, borne out one way or the other by what you actually believe.
True enough, and it's no my fault that your belief system set things up this way, so quit trying to make it appear as if I am somehow at fault for this dichotomy that YOU follow.
I'm sure it must be, but I can only assume since I am not hellbound. As I said so clearly.
Irrelevant.
Then you would be unique among all the people running on this dichotomy that I have encountered.
And this after saying you are unqualified yourself to judge anyone, you know what my conclusion will be? lol.
It's not egotistical bullshit because the premise was simple: does one proclaim as valid a philosophical system where the proclaimers are on the losing side for eternity? My answer is a concrete: no. See my conclusion below for more.
Again, I am outside your system so fuck what your God might presume to think about me, he is not my judge.
In conclusion, you spent several paragraphs completely dodging the issue of actually answering the question, thus showing your cowardice to allow that someone has you pegged. I did not consider anything you said above as any admission one way or the other, so, you backed out because you know I am spot on and did not want to be owned so publicly.
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Archimedes
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So true, this is why throughout history Christians have sent missionaries to the far reaches of the planet to convert people to their cause who were less fortunate and less civilized.
High Fidelity
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But it does.
Zoom out a little bit, and view more of the landscape. If being obese is regarded as a bad thing, and those people that are obese are judged and persecuted, than all words on the subject are negative. What I mean to say is, if most people regard fat people as disgusting, than it in itself is a negative, so all conversation on the matter is negative.
But that's beside the point. The fact of the matter is that people are filled with doubt, shame, and insecurity. Perhaps you should be able to tell someone, "You're fat, take care of it." But you can't. And it's naive to believe otherwise.
And when was the last time you told someone something in a direct, unfriendly tone and they just did it because? Never.
Cowardice? You are so desperate to label me as something. You seethe animosity through your fingers as you type out your demand for me to simply play the part you need me to play.
You want someone to merely validate what you had already concluded so many pages ago. The longer I go without kowtowing to your views, the more it boils up in you.
I don't have to answer for any question or charge you have against me. You have already answered the question for yourself in your own mind. Whether I agree or not with the conclusion you've made is trivial at this point.
You hold your view beyond reproach and it is clear in how boldly you declare it before any other. So it is fascinating how you charge a dissimilar perspective with being egotistical bullshit and at the same time entrap yourself with your very own device.
It is not me who holds my position as superior to all others, it is you who place me there so that you have your justification to go on shouting about how it isn't so.
I should feel shamed at reserving optimism for my fate at Gods hand? I don't think you even considered what was being said in my first post before you revised it in your own mind to conform to the stereotype of you want as your adversary.
You certainly have the choice to validate what I said. However, you could also negate it by typing out that you consider yourself damned in the Holy dichotomy you declared. Yet, as I pointed out, you refuse. Observers can surmise that you are, indeed, exactly as I described, since a simple admission in print would lay the matter to rest. Your continuing refusal only characterizes you as someone caught who cannot bring themselves to admit that someone was right about them.
You can do whatever you like; let everyone decide based on your actions. So far, they go along exactly as I described.
The statement that those who use the saved/damned dichotomy place themselves always in the former category is not some part of my religious dogma, it's an observation I make based on multiple statements that go exactly as I describe. So, here you go, adding a simple conversation piece into a faith system you know zero about, then trashing both as if they are a whole.
It is your own statement that places you there. I am not responsible for what you do, but I am allowed to draw conclusions about you from those actions, or lack of actions. If the conclusion is incorrect I have invited ytou several times to lay it to rest by a simple admission, which you continue to avoid doing with the thin excuse that i'm not the boss of you.
This is what you said, exactly:
The bold part in particular shows your smugness being on the winning side. I really haven't needed to do anything to show you've made yourself an adversary, by showing contempt for those not lucky enough to 'sup at the Lords table' with you.
YOU have already decided where you'll be in this and it's not one of the shocked, the uncomprehending, or the sufferers.
Did I say this?
No, you did.
QED
Or state that you are damned.
It's so easy, and because you dare not tempt your God by saying you are damned, you cannot do it.
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fat people are undisciplined. the best way is strict peer pressure. either they'll cry, eat more, and die sooner... or they'll do something about it and drop the weight. for society, its win-win either way.
the driving force of life is survival of the fittest... not the dumbest, laziest, fattest, etc.