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pocketgamer said:
T2 Source....
Ya know, I think I actually WOULD be completely satisfied with T2:Classic:Source. I've pubbed T2:Classic a bit lately, and the gameplay is still all kinds of fun. Witha beefier engine and the same gameplay, I could see myself wasting another year on it.
Wow.Marweas said:
Just . . . wow.
This is just . . . wow.
The former Brand Manager for the Tribes franchise comes onto Tribalwar and actively plots to destroy the Tribes brand.
My questions are twofold.
1) for the brilliant coders out there who have time for this: how hard can it be to write a "master server", either in script within tribes (using direct IP connections) or as an external application? At the most basic level, I have to imagine that a directIP-based master-server-slash-matchmaking-server would not be terribly difficult to do in python with Twisted, but this assumes that we have at least a rudimentary understanding of the protocols involved.
This kind of thing should NEVER be attempted without a backup plan.
2) Since we know what we want -- EVERYTHING (IP, code, etc) -- we should ask Marweas: what do you think VUG would be willing to part with, and under how much duress? Would they be open to a kind of "we'll turn it over to you if we get 80% of all revenues from any commercial ventures from this IP" arrangement?
mr_luc said:
How much more "Destroying" do you need after VUG shot it in the head, dragged its corpse 3000 miles coast to coast through rugged terrain and then lit it on fire with gasoline?
Not even the miracle of modern science is saving this one with VUG in control.
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Ya know, the more I think about it, the more I think that Tribes is dead. As a community, our best bet is to look to other games that have some core aspects of Tribes incorporated.
Games are not getting any cheaper to make. To remain competitive, upcoming games will require an ungodly art asset budget. Some games will be coming out where the original 3d model (before being reduced via clever texturing) will have over a million polygons. Just creating something that complex will take immense resources; animating it is another story entirely.
We're entering the Corporate Age of video gaming. Just take a look around. Corporate behemoths are swallowing small developement studios like they're appetizers at a super bowl party, and other developement houses are closing because they can't compete. Because of the corporate involvement and the immense resources involved in creating these games, executives are going to be greenlighting "the sure thing" and nothing else. To draw a comparison to the movie industry, the gaming industry is producing summer blockbuster after summer blockbuster. There's no room for the independent film, because corporations want to turn a profit on EVERY game and there's no cheap way of producing high quality art assets for low budget games.
I hate to break it to you guys, but Tribes is an "independent film." Critically acclaimed, but misunderstood by the masses. At this point, it could only be justified as being worth creating as a niche game, or art for art's sake. Tribes games are outstanding, but they are too complex to be appreciated by Joe Sixpack.
As the Tribes community, I think we have two options.
1) We can look for a way for a Tribes game to be produced cheaply so that it could turn a profit more easily. This might require a rethinking of what Tribes entails, like a 2d sidescroller for the GBA that could turn a tidy profit. The main benefit of this is that it would help rebuild the brand to the point where corporate assholes would see another attempt at a AAA Tribes title as being economically viable.
2) We can try to find the things that we like about Tribes in other games like Legends or BF2. The main benefit of this is that we, as gamers, would be entertained.
Unfortunately, I don't see any other options. Tribes was never a huge hit, and T:V was a horrible commercial flop. With the blockbuster success of a few games last Christmas, we're going to be entering a phase of corporations trying to recapture the magic of past successes. With these two factors combined, I seriously doubt that Tribes will have another chance. It sucks, but it's reality.
I commend the thought and effort put into this thread, but the fact is that the patch wasn't going to save T:V anyway. This is really about the failure of tribes as a whole to be successful outside of this small community. Unfortunately, those failures have grave consequences in this new "profit>everything" corporate gaming industry.
Games are not getting any cheaper to make. To remain competitive, upcoming games will require an ungodly art asset budget. Some games will be coming out where the original 3d model (before being reduced via clever texturing) will have over a million polygons. Just creating something that complex will take immense resources; animating it is another story entirely.
We're entering the Corporate Age of video gaming. Just take a look around. Corporate behemoths are swallowing small developement studios like they're appetizers at a super bowl party, and other developement houses are closing because they can't compete. Because of the corporate involvement and the immense resources involved in creating these games, executives are going to be greenlighting "the sure thing" and nothing else. To draw a comparison to the movie industry, the gaming industry is producing summer blockbuster after summer blockbuster. There's no room for the independent film, because corporations want to turn a profit on EVERY game and there's no cheap way of producing high quality art assets for low budget games.
I hate to break it to you guys, but Tribes is an "independent film." Critically acclaimed, but misunderstood by the masses. At this point, it could only be justified as being worth creating as a niche game, or art for art's sake. Tribes games are outstanding, but they are too complex to be appreciated by Joe Sixpack.
As the Tribes community, I think we have two options.
1) We can look for a way for a Tribes game to be produced cheaply so that it could turn a profit more easily. This might require a rethinking of what Tribes entails, like a 2d sidescroller for the GBA that could turn a tidy profit. The main benefit of this is that it would help rebuild the brand to the point where corporate assholes would see another attempt at a AAA Tribes title as being economically viable.
2) We can try to find the things that we like about Tribes in other games like Legends or BF2. The main benefit of this is that we, as gamers, would be entertained.
Unfortunately, I don't see any other options. Tribes was never a huge hit, and T:V was a horrible commercial flop. With the blockbuster success of a few games last Christmas, we're going to be entering a phase of corporations trying to recapture the magic of past successes. With these two factors combined, I seriously doubt that Tribes will have another chance. It sucks, but it's reality.
I commend the thought and effort put into this thread, but the fact is that the patch wasn't going to save T:V anyway. This is really about the failure of tribes as a whole to be successful outside of this small community. Unfortunately, those failures have grave consequences in this new "profit>everything" corporate gaming industry.
Ordos said:
i know folks like to think the 'patch' was the insult.
but the irony is that MARWEAS is considerably responsible for the fuckin mess we're in yet folks still kiss his ass... and here he is talking about further destroying the fuckin brand.
MAYBE IF HE DID HIS JOB INSTEAD OF WHORING TRIBALWAR AND FLAMING FANS... he'd still have his job and maybe have figured out that the design was flawed. 43,000 copies. the fuckin box art aint the fuckin problem here, folks.
but yes... lets go on flaming "VUG" without holding marweas or thrax responsible in ANY way...
... when i read these thread i feel like im on the special ed bus...
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GreenDookie
Veteran XV
tribes is still fun to play
if tw fucks tribes up for me im gonna be pissed
if tw fucks tribes up for me im gonna be pissed
Darkstrand
Veteran X
unf unf unf
I am going to go into all the stores that is sellng T:V and put a bag of dog poop in the box
[THE]Perrin
Veteran X
Celestial said:
I don't know. I still think playing with 2 people of a proxied 56k connection was the high point of my Tribes playing career.
YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. CAREER. SUCK IT.
TseTse said:
Actually Alex did his job quite well while he was in contract with VUG. I don't believe we were told the entire story of why he was let go ... maybe it was him pushing "true tribes" to VUG and them saying, "Hey ... Go fuck yourself."
Thrax's design was a center piece yes, but how much was it influenced by VUG wanting a "mass appeal" Tribes game?
PS. Playing Devil's Advocate.