Child gambling has quadrupled in the UK thanks to loot boxes

Esteban_Villa said:
I dont necessarily disagree with the rest of your post. We come to a point where, I argue based on the push back against drug legislation in the 60s you will just Streisand effect this into a bigger deal. Maybe not. Maybe yes idk we dont have crystal balls.

This line is the issue.

THE STATE ISNT THERE TO PROTECT YOUR FINANCES EXCEPT FROM FRAUD/THEFT

Tell me where gambling hurts someone? We ban it from kids because they should be spending their time doing other shit.

And before you argue

THE STATE ISNT THERE TO PROTECT YOUR EMOTIONAL WELL BEING

This isnt cigs where you seriously effect your own health and more importantly others. This isnt drinking and driving. This is - all you're doing is banning how someone spends their money. Dumb people lose their money on shit all the time and lord knows myself and everywhere here have our stupid shit we blow money on.

The state - will not - ever dictate how any citizen chooses to pursue happiness. Plenty of under 18s are emancipated citizens. The minute you do that you give up. Kids need to learn when they're 14 this shit is stupid when they dont have sizable sources of funds. This is the crux of my argumentation. They srent being harmed by the cigs or alcohol. They're not brandishing firearms over immature shit.

Tell me one instance where a 14 year old blew his 20 bucks on a lootbox spree and it detrimentally hurt their life. They dont have kids that will go hungry (not that it should be a consideration). They aren't physically stunted or injured (not that it should be an consideration if they're an adult). Where is the harm? Financial harm other than through fraud or theft shouldn't never be illegal or else you're oking the state to illegalize all business pursuits that have a winner and loser...aka goodbye capitalism.

Not over my deadbody.

As Sam said tho - enforce the laws on the books. Open and shut, statist pedophiles like amadeus gtfo
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What's the pushback for banning lootboxes? Going to a casino? Those too are regulated.

The part about "emotional wellbeing" shows that you don't understand the psychological issues associated with problem gambling. This is something outside your understanding and I don't care what your opinion on the matter is.

Business that causes financial harm outside fraud or theft should be legal? - You mush have been in a coma when wall street lobbied to repeal the Glass–Steagall legislation and the resulting fallout within 10 years.

I don't mind free enterprise, but corporations will push every limit they can in the pursuit of profit. They have no moral obligation or responsibility. I am in no way inclined to tolerate shitty business practices just because 'capitalism is great and so it gets a free pass'.

You want to advocate for a free market? Here's a scenario for you: Get rid of lootboxes and offer all of their contents at a fixed price. The consumer can then decide to buy what they want at a price they can agree on.
 
TrojanMan421 said:
you spend money on a chance to obtain specific licensed content with dubious odds

if i went to a store to buy gym shoes and had to just randomly throw money at boxes till i got the shoes i wanted it, it's gambling

they are exploiting the loophole by saying you could obtain the content through days of play, but the problem lies in the companies applying a made up valuation to the items

close the loophole, apply a dollar amount valuation to each licensed item, allow players to outright buy the content or gamble with stated odds to try to obtain content with less money
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Actually, I think the loophole is that you technically don't pay money for the purchase, you pay a virtual currency that you can only buy with money. Obviously virtual currencies didn't exist when gambling laws were written, so there's no way they could have made a provision for that. Otherwise I'm sure they would have.
 
can you guys imagine a world where self admitted kid fuckers talk about lootboxes and use 'neural processes' and childhood development issues as an excuse to do so

I can........i feel like I might be living in that world right now
 
Amadeus said:
Actually, I think the loophole is that you technically don't pay money for the purchase, you pay a virtual currency that you can only buy with money. Obviously virtual currencies didn't exist when gambling laws were written, so there's no way they could have made a provision for that. Otherwise I'm sure they would have.
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ban virtual currencies

easy peasy

problem solved

:rofl:

watch the marxist statists soak in their own stew on that for a while

or forever

whichever comes first
 
Esteban_Villa said:
hahaha thank you for saying what i was going to get at but not in a multi para form.

in the end every transaction is in essence a gamble - i bet a lot of FO76 guys are feeling it now too.
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we should get a checkbox going in here

are you a commie, or at minimum hate capitalism

do you love government, but fuck the police and soldiers

do you love laws, but constantly cry like a bitch about them being too onerous

do you think child brides are acceptable....even encouraged...but something something about childhood development and their brain

from there we could find out the real issue behind lootboxes........

what kind of twisted sicko mental projections they have but yet again spew forth onto others around them as the actual vices they suffer from......besides unintended consequences from their direct avoidance of personal responsibility or dipping even a toe into the waters of adulthood.
 
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TrojanMan421 said:
you spend money on a chance to obtain specific licensed content with dubious odds

if i went to a store to buy gym shoes and had to just randomly throw money at boxes till i got the shoes i wanted it, it's gambling

they are exploiting the loophole by saying you could obtain the content through days of play, but the problem lies in the companies applying a made up valuation to the items

close the loophole, apply a dollar amount valuation to each licensed item, allow players to outright buy the content or gamble with stated odds to try to obtain content with less money
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the 2nd para is not defined as gambling unless the house takes a cut in my state, or if as other states hold receive a brokerage fee amount that is not reasonable reward to the company (covering overhead).

you're talking more market orientated concerns, not gambling. options contracts have similar conundrums attached to them, and the brokers who facilitate them are not casinos despite allowing a party to wager on an unknown outcome. companies could also artificially inflate/deflate costs for self profit if you want them to fix these prices. they would also have access to increased data pools that could show them market trends and adjust prices to benefit their bottom line i.e. these items are selling, lets raise the price cause we can!

really all your concerns are, and my hypothetical ones if we went your route, that in addition to the facade of gambling; seem very akin to the early days of stock/options, and brokerage fees related to them. there is a reason we have brokers list their fees nowadays and yeah these gaming companies should too im fine with that. we also broach the touchy subject of electronic markets for electronic items and how they have value. bitcoin/skins/premium consumables whether spells or ammo/data from google all fall under this purview.

transparency i can get behind, but how transparent? whenever i buy my family some scratchoffs from NYS our authority has that shit buried on the website. will the addicts actually take the time to look at them? ive seen sad fucks go to the counter, buy tickets, scratch the barcode off and buy more. its fucking pathetic and the state says gimme more (and like amadeus uses children as bait albeit differently in that the funds go to education). hash said it on the first page - we can spend a huge amount of time fleshing this out or spend our time fleshing out bigger fish in the UK.

can you agree a regulatory agency akin to the SEC should be involved? I could def get behind this as it allows businesses to engage in an emerging business practice (microtransactions) while satisfying the consumer rights to transparency behind these processes.

but really the broad scope of this question, when you take aside the slot machine facade for most loot boxes, is how the fuck are we as human beings supposed to view electronic items? we need to answer that question before we can properly answer loot boxes. given the IRS declared BTC taxable i say it fuck it lets explore and grow the market which video game companies will be at the forefront of.
 
can you imagine being an adult sized child

who thinks gambling is illegal for any reason other than the state demanding to get a cut

a cut of what? some character skins? LMAO

some WOW gold......

though I can't laugh too hard because of VENEZUELA (where these npc's should be sent back to)

i mean can you imagine being one of these people beyond the age of say 18

which is oddly enough where they want these laws to regulate.......but even if they got that they would still rage like they are in this thread as actual adults who can gamble but would still be life losers of this magnitude
 
Amadeus said:
But on the stock market, you never pay money for stocks in a random company. You know what you want to buy, you make a payment, and now you have the thing you wanted to buy. Unlike loot boxes.
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one - ur para about the belgian govt is useless because i dont care about the belgians. i also only marginally care about texans/californians but thats because their case law actually has a minor overlap with other states due to a certain law process i forget the name of that incorporates other states decisions but should not be considered the sole reason. i can assure you belgian law does not have any affect on me nor should it just like saudi law.

secondly - there are plenty of securities out there where you are investing in unknown products. again what you're asking for is not 'stop gambling' but 'please we need an SEC' (or british equiv idk ur guys stock market police)
 
and in what world do you know every company inside of a mutual fund these days?

I mean it is just box inside of a box inside of a box until you realize you are really a nesting doll and Russia did this to you
 
Captain Tele said:
can you imagine being an adult sized child

who thinks gambling is illegal for any reason other than the state demanding to get a cut

a cut of what? some character skins? LMAO

some WOW gold......

though I can't laugh too hard because of VENEZUELA (where these npc's should be sent back to)

i mean can you imagine being one of these people beyond the age of say 18

which is oddly enough where they want these laws to regulate.......but even if they got that they would still rage like they are in this thread as actual adults who can gamble but would still be life losers of this magnitude
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speaking of venezuela, gambling, and fixed market prices

how is the venezuelan bolivar doing? sure isn't a black market or state run lottery system for goods to reflect it's current worth (many times less than it is actually worth) while the market is horrifically out of line resulting in shortages of the classics to include food, the funny to include toilet paper, and the hilarious which includes oil even though they are in OPEC. while no one will go hungry not having an artificially defined market prices in an electronic world - neither will the chilluns when they spend 20 bucks to try to be cool among their friends.

the shoe analogy from the one guy was funny tho - a business would try that if not for the fact a riot would occur in person when a guy spends 2 bucks on a ticket even money odds to get new nikes and losses. online the people are nice and sedate and bitch on reddit at worst, notice how EA's stock has well recovered from the manufactured outrage a year ago? in the end we all buy shit to be cool and im pro disclosing the odds and shit, no reason not to really in the interest of consumer rights, or i mean have some self control and not join the rat race. for kids - how the fuck are they electronically paying for this stuff without absentee parents? lets fuck over normal people tryna be cool for the couple percent who aren't doing their jobs, classic! next, lets regulate the pursuit of happiness and define it as only things the state says is good for you. wait shit i think we're already there
 
Slurp said:
This is good. Kids need to learn about this shit early and become immune to it, before they can do any real damage to their life.

Personally, I feel like my early exposure to gaming has allowed me to build up a strong tolerance against gambling and the collector-instinct. I can see through all the shit, and see all the psychological tricks for what they are.

Even today, on black Friday -- I just shrug my shoulders while thinking -- yes, there are nice sales, but I don't actually need anything.

Edit: Except for steam sales. Fuck steam for stealing my money on games I don't ever play.
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also throwback to this post that no one replied

hide kids from everything scary
let them fly stronger knowing some will fall (the second part is who Amadeus defends, which is probably himself as most argue from a selfish standpoint to include me ofc)

teach kids lessons
have the state tell the kids what lessons they should or shouldn't learn

we have seen the divide in the last 5 pages and know on the political spectrum (statists vs. less gubmint) where we fall and it's no shocker there is no difference except atriedes idk about him. also would like to reply about your para on problem gambling but would sperg to hard for a saturday night. ill try to remember this week when i got some downtime feel free to remind me
 
Esteban_Villa said:
also throwback to this post that no one
hide kids from everything scary
let them fly stronger knowing some will fall (the second part is who Amadeus defends, which is probably himself as most argue from a selfish standpoint to include me ofc)
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Wrong on both counts btw.
 
Hey Kinder Surprise eggs are gambling as well

then again I do think loot boxes are an evil and insidious tool, online spending is a different thing to handing over cold hard cash at the sweet shop
 
ya i was going 2 say i think i saw them at king soopers last week

neway u could always get kinder eggs from the specialist candy shops that sell all the legit euro stuff :cool:
 
they had to take the toy out.....put it on the other side

because otherwise it might have been GAMBLING

LMAO

anyone else remember buying a pack of sports cards and not knowing exactly which cards you would get when you were a kid? this being the mystery and wonders of collecting cards and trading them in the first place

I had no idea that it was the cause for all my other gambling issues today until actual OCD AUTISTS reminded me of how impressionable young minds are
 
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