Originally Posted by Captain Tele

now u just have to figure out how to get all those red county farmers, inside your blue state, to share any of that stuff with u

Originally Posted by samUwell

You mean, turned away more illegals than ever before. Deportations are way down.

Wrong - Obama Has Deported More People Than Any Other President - ABC News

and i cant wait for them to roll back common core

kids have to learn what work is like

Originally Posted by Groove

free tuition for everyone would cost about the same as 3-4 months of the iraq war did

personally i'd choose to educate the entire country over waging a war overseas but thats just me

The Iraq war cost $1.7T. The current student loan debt is $1.2T. There are 20 million students in the US right now, with an average tuition cost of $10,000 per year in tuition and fees for instate schools. This does not take into account room and board. That's an annual cost of $200,000,000,000. If you assume that the rate of tuition does not go up, and the number of students stays the same, and everyone attends instate public schools, and everyone graduates in 4 years, your cost is only around $1T every 5 years in addition to covering the initial student debt.

Would you care to revise your statement?

Originally Posted by phaytal

Wrong - Obama Has Deported More People Than Any Other President - ABC News

ABC news is part of the state news network. Pls provide legit news source

i can't find any breitbart articles about obama deporting illegals so it must be wrong

Originally Posted by JoMo

ABC news is part of the state news network. Pls provide legit news source

Fine - U.S. immigrant deportations down in 2014, but still near record high | Pew Research Center

Please tell me how Pew is part of the leftist media machine.

Originally Posted by Fool

The Iraq war cost $1.7T. The current student loan debt is $1.2T. There are 20 million students in the US right now, with an average tuition cost of $10,000 per year in tuition and fees for instate schools. This does not take into account room and board. That's an annual cost of $200,000,000,000. If you assume that the rate of tuition does not go up, and the number of students stays the same, and everyone attends instate public schools, and everyone graduates in 4 years, your cost is only around $1T every 5 years in addition to covering the initial student debt.

Would you care to revise your statement?

i never took his figures seriously and this would only how be for one generation anyway but u also raise a good point.

i mean how do u account for students to went to privileged schools and whatnot

Originally Posted by Captain Tele

more than half of doesn't want to be inside California though

State of Jefferson: 2 of 3 Northern California secession measures defeated The Mercury News

the state of jefferson would end up being one of the poorest states in the country.

Editorial: State of Jefferson? It would be rugged, beautiful, very poor

and 1.4 million people? whatever

Originally Posted by Fool

The Iraq war cost $1.7T. The current student loan debt is $1.2T. There are 20 million students in the US right now, with an average tuition cost of $10,000 per year in tuition and fees for instate schools. This does not take into account room and board. That's an annual cost of $200,000,000,000. If you assume that the rate of tuition does not go up, and the number of students stays the same, and everyone attends instate public schools, and everyone graduates in 4 years, your cost is only around $1T every 5 years in addition to covering the initial student debt.

Would you care to revise your statement?

According to 2012 data from the Department of Education, America***8217;s public colleges and universities collected $62.6 billion in tuition from students

http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2013/2013183.pdf

is anyone saying that you should forgive all past student debt and cover room and board?

Originally Posted by cael

i believe they use what's called money to buy produce

w/ californian IOU money

that would be EL OH EL

probably union coupons that expired yesterday

Originally Posted by cogzinofa

the state of jefferson would end up being one of the poorest states in the country.

Editorial: State of Jefferson? It would be rugged, beautiful, very poor

and 1.4 million people? whatever

like I said, map out where your water comes from

what land it flows through

where all that produce comes from

all lumber, power, etc,

and you think cost of living in SF is bad now

maybe they could eat grubhub coupons and twitter feeds?

Originally Posted by Groove

According to 2012 data from the Department of Education, America’s public colleges and universities collected $62.6 billion in tuition from students

http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2013/2013183.pdf

is anyone saying that you should forgive all past student debt and cover room and board?

Pretty much everyone. Student loan debt is their primary concern.

As to your data, that is based on 4 year old information and does not include private school data, which typically have tuition rates 3x higher than their public brethren. Would you deny free college to people seeking to go to a private school?

Originally Posted by Groove

According to 2012 data from the Department of Education, America’s public colleges and universities collected $62.6 billion in tuition from students

http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2013/2013183.pdf

is anyone saying that you should forgive all past student debt and cover room and board?

but how would u account for disparages in privs? some kids just take out bigger loans to go to better schools so would there be a system? how would the schools fair? did you think this out thoroughly? whats the incentive for better teachers?
etc

i'm sure the worlds 6th largest economy is really gonna struggle with issuing money

Originally Posted by phaytal

Wrong - Obama Has Deported More People Than Any Other President - ABC News

revolving door revolved real fast

Ted Cruz: Obama administration released 104,000 'criminal illegal aliens' including 196 murderers

in one door and out the other

the other not being back to mexico

sum1's triggered

Originally Posted by cael

i'm sure the worlds 6th largest economy is really gonna struggle with issuing money

can't even balance a budget during record growth

Stock market slump causes California to face $1 billion shortfall

credit rating laughing stock despite being alleged power house

what happens when you have gubmt that can't help but spend money faster than they can take it from others

Originally Posted by cael

i believe they use what's called money to buy produce

we could do that, and we could also restructure water rights so those "independent" and "rugged" farmers who "don't take handouts" pay market rate on the water they use.

agriculture uses 80% of california water but accounts for 2% of economic activity.

we aren't socialists here. yeah, we have to get food from somewhere but if farmers aren't giving me food for free I'm against giving them water for free or at deep discounts. against government handouts? great, let's start with subsidized water.