[Mega] MAGA Super Trump Mega Thread

SharpShooter said:
Ahhh. Thank you for explaining. This helps shape how to debate with you. I appreciate the transparency.

- I'm not a fan of socialism in the sense of the boogey man the right has made it but I think it's ridiculous we don't have healthcare, education, etc. like the rest of the world.

I guess we just view the world differently. I believe our founding fathers believed that the government should not force any American to do anything they don't want to. That was my biggest issues with the ACA and forcing perfectly healthy Americans to pay for something they otherwise wouldn't. Thats a form of tyranny from my point of view. Guess what. Donald Trump saved millions from tyranny.

- Globalism is just the way it has to be with the advent of the internet, faster travel, etc. etc. Once the genie was out of the bottle, there's no going back unless you'd like to kill a whole lot of people.

This is literally the number 1 reason your side lost. Keep staying oblivious to middle America. Guess what, Trump said he would pull us from TPP and did it.

- I despise a large govt. too but believe it's necessary in some instances to prevent things like your medicine costing $600 when it costs .06 to manufacture 30 years ago.

From what i'm learning from you, you're lost in this area of your life. If you think giving the government more control of your life is less government... you have issues. Guess what, Donald Trump has shrunk the government regs more so than any president in my lifetime.

- Guns are complicated but there's no question we have a problem in our country. I don't even know what the answer is but not trying anything is not the right answer. Further, I don't believe the founding fathers, hell even if they did, thought it necessary for people to be able to have guns that have tons of power, tons of bullets and the ability to shoot them really quickly.

I don't know about everyone else here, but i feel like the republicans do address this issue. More guns, less gun free zones. Reducing fatherless homes and addressing mental health issues. We just try to come up with ideas that don't involve stripping the 2a.

- Climate change science is like as slam dunk as you can get. Every single scientist says it's happening and here is why. Of all the things you argue against, arguing against facts here is ridiculous. Statemens made by AOC that the world is gonna end in 10 years unless we ban plastic straws are dumb but the actual science is right in regards to need for decades and centuries long change of human behavior.

This is not a slam dunk. If you think it is, you're part of the problem. Giving tax dollars to the government to fight something like this is a fools game. The only thing i would support doing that for is cleaning the ocean. Thats it. Because you could actually see tangible results for my tax dollars. Outside of that, I do think we need to focus on cleaning our air. But do it through the private sector. Educate people to clean the climate through their purchase decisions and individual behaviors. Forcing me to pay a carbon tax so politicians can fly around virtue signaling is a failed concept. Look at France. How did that work?
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- I'm not a fan of socialism in the sense of the boogey man the right has made it but I think it's ridiculous we don't have healthcare, education, etc. like the rest of the world.
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We'd all like to have the items you mentioned, the issue has to do with being able to afford it. We aren't Denmark, Sweden or any of the other extremely small countries people like to reference. Even in these countries the tax rates on the middle class average around 60%. The wait times for care in these countries are terrible and many of them come to the U.S. for more advanced treatments. I'm not by any means saying we don't need healthcare reform, we do, especially in the domain of prescription drugs. I just don't agree with the democratic parties plans to address it.

So far, I've worked my ass off and I've had no problem paying for my education ($60,000 worth) or my healthcare. I just can't support a system where you take from Peter to pay for Paul.

- Globalism is just the way it has to be with the advent of the internet, faster travel, etc. etc. Once the genie was out of the bottle, there's no going back unless you'd like to kill a whole lot of people.
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We are going to have to agree to disagree here. As a nationalist, the threat to my views are the democratic party forcing a globalist agenda. Sure the internet connected us all, but that doesn't mean I have to spend my tax dollars complying with international expectations and standards. If there is one thing Trump has done its break down the globalist agenda put forth by Obama.

- I despise a large govt. too but believe it's necessary in some instances to prevent things like your medicine costing $600 when it costs .06 to manufacture 30 years ago.
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I don't think you need a large fed to do that. I believe removing regulations can create a more free market thereby allowing competition in the prescription drug field. Trump's "Right to Try" act is a good example of what I'm talking about in terms of regulations getting in the way of peoples care. Trump has also stated that his main agenda if he wins 2020 is taking on healthcare.

- Guns are complicated but there's no question we have a problem in our country. I don't even know what the answer is but not trying anything is not the right answer. Further, I don't believe the founding fathers, hell even if they did, thought it necessary for people to be able to have guns that have tons of power, tons of bullets and the ability to shoot them really quickly.
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They really aren't complicated at all. Nearly all gun deaths aren't even related to rifles. Most are related to handgun's and are completely unrelated to mass shootings. I've still yet to hear a compelling argument about how a law banning guns is going to thwart a criminal from using one, which by definition is a person who doesn't follow the law. Stating that you are going to come "take our guns" is the exact reason we have the second amendment to begin with.

- Climate change science is like as slam dunk as you can get. Every single scientist says it's happening and here is why. Of all the things you argue against, arguing against facts here is ridiculous. Statemens made by AOC that the world is gonna end in 10 years unless we ban plastic straws are dumb but the actual science is right in regards to need for decades and centuries long change of human behavior.
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The climate changing isn't up for debate. The extent to which humans are contributing to it certainly is. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of things we can blame on humans, pollution, over fishing, dumping waste into our rivers, etc... But global temperatures rising due to human intervention certainly isn't settled science. I'd prefer we find a cleaner way of doing things than fossil fuels, but knee jerk reactions that completely dismantle our economy and ability to compete on the international stage are a threat to our current way of life.


Ultimately, you have to decide which issues are the most important to you, and vote for the person that is going to stand on your side of the debate. So far, I just support Trumps policies more than I do the opposing party of Elizabeth Warren. To be honest, I'm a little afraid that taking down Biden could end up hurting my view in the long run as he is far more of a moderate than Warren. If Trump did lose to Warren, I would have far preferred Biden. It is surprising to me that people can literally support policies they don't agree with simply because they don't like the person that Donald Trump is.

I'm glad we can get past the insults and actually have a constructive debate.
 
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President Trump is using their emotional projection as bait. It's one of the more brilliant political tactics I've ever observed; it's worthy of an entire chapter by Machiavelli. What he's doing is accusing himself of things that he knows they are doing. So they demand the very investigations that he wants, thereby forcing the media to extensively cover the very topics it wants to bury.
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wait a second you guys are just gonna pass over this GEM of a post??

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SharpShooter said:
Ahhh. Thank you for explaining. This helps shape how to debate with you. I appreciate the transparency.

- I'm not a fan of socialism in the sense of the boogey man the right has made it but I think it's ridiculous we don't have healthcare, education, etc. like the rest of the world.
- Globalism is just the way it has to be with the advent of the internet, faster travel, etc. etc. Once the genie was out of the bottle, there's no going back unless you'd like to kill a whole lot of people.
- I despise a large govt. too but believe it's necessary in some instances to prevent things like your medicine costing $600 when it costs .06 to manufacture 30 years ago.
- Guns are complicated but there's no question we have a problem in our country. I don't even know what the answer is but not trying anything is not the right answer. Further, I don't believe the founding fathers, hell even if they did, thought it necessary for people to be able to have guns that have tons of power, tons of bullets and the ability to shoot them really quickly.
- Climate change science is like as slam dunk as you can get. Every single scientist says it's happening and here is why. Of all the things you argue against, arguing against facts here is ridiculous. Statemens made by AOC that the world is gonna end in 10 years unless we ban plastic straws are dumb but the actual science is right in regards to need for decades and centuries long change of human behavior.
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So let's look at some of those points:

It is ridiculous that we do not have free healthcare and education like the rest of the world?

Let us look at the countries that have free education - http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/countries-with-free-college/ - with the exception of Brazil and Egypt, none have a population over 100M. Places like France (66M) and Germany (83M) can do that because they do not have other defense responsibilities (because they get to rely on the USA). Egypt has suspect education and Brazil...well good for them since they do not have any global responsibilities. You can make the same argument for healthcare. The couple who have no kids get to do things a family of 10 do not. That is the way it works.

Your globalism comment makes no sense. Try again so the adults can understand you.

A large government does not stop drug prices from being high. A controlling one does. I agree that drug prices are too high, and would support the government finding a way to reduce the costs but not at the cost of mandating a single-payer system. Again, our size creates challenges. Trump was trying to address this earlier this year, but had to stop to deal with the democrat distraction.

the gun issue is NOT complicated. Guns do not kill people - people kill people. Cigarette smoking kills more people, drunk driving kills more people, and diabetes kills more people than guns. If it is about stopping the killing, then go at the source. Sick People. None of those other things are protected by the Constitution. Cigarettes, alcohol, and fast food would be easy to stop. Where is the outrage? A person cannot buy alcohol legally until they are 21, yet thousands of teens die from drunk driving every year. Did the law stop them? Nope. You libs just want to take away the guns for the actions of a few wackos.

Climate change actually IS complicated. Your statement that EVERY scientist says it is happening is garbage. In the 80's we were going to be under 10 feet of water by 2010 if things didn't change. Guess what...they didn't change and here I am nice and dry. Were those scientists wrong? Did they interpret the data incorrectly? Or is this yet another attempt to shame people into joining the progressive movement?
 
SharpShooter said:
Ahhh. Thank you for explaining. This helps shape how to debate with you. I appreciate the transparency.

- I'm not a fan of socialism in the sense of the boogey man the right has made it but I think it's ridiculous we don't have healthcare, education, etc. like the rest of the world.
- Globalism is just the way it has to be with the advent of the internet, faster travel, etc. etc. Once the genie was out of the bottle, there's no going back unless you'd like to kill a whole lot of people.
- I despise a large govt. too but believe it's necessary in some instances to prevent things like your medicine costing $600 when it costs .06 to manufacture 30 years ago.
- Guns are complicated but there's no question we have a problem in our country. I don't even know what the answer is but not trying anything is not the right answer. Further, I don't believe the founding fathers, hell even if they did, thought it necessary for people to be able to have guns that have tons of power, tons of bullets and the ability to shoot them really quickly.
- Climate change science is like as slam dunk as you can get. Every single scientist says it's happening and here is why. Of all the things you argue against, arguing against facts here is ridiculous. Statemens made by AOC that the world is gonna end in 10 years unless we ban plastic straws are dumb but the actual science is right in regards to need for decades and centuries long change of human behavior.
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Gun homicide corrolates more with demographics than any gun laws or the number of guns per capita. Guns don't kill people, brown and black people do.

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You know what increases gun violence? Globalism! Globalism as far as trade and tech is fine, when it comes to people, that's where you run into problems.

In your lifetime, France is going to have a civil war. Poland will not. You already see this at the edges with terrorism in Europe. Mighty strange how the more globalist nations have to have diversity bollards everywhere and have armed policemen in body armor every time there's a public celebration of Christmas.


Scientists overwhelmingly agree the earth is warming, but that's a separate issue from the warming being man made. But let's just say you are correct and it is man made...so what? America is not on the equator, we have TONS of cold northern land that would only benefit from warming, and Im guessing you dont own any beachfront property. Speaking of which, if global warming is going to be so bad, why haven't banks stopped pouring tons of money into developing beachfront property?

Also, again assuming it is man made, how can America control it? We are not the ones creating the most carbon, and many nations stand to economically benefit from global warming because it unlocks resources in the arctic. Russia is going have a polar shipping rout that will net them untold billions every year. In America, Alaska is on top of an ocean of oil we can get to more cheaply with less permafrost. Im not convinced global warming is man made, but if it is, it's not even a bad thing. It WILL economically benefit many places, but this is never discussed in any debates.
 
Russia, Russia, Russia!

Hillary Clinton said that Rep. Tulsi Gabbard is being groomed by Moscow to run as a third-party spoiler candidate in 2020 to help President Trump win reelection.
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"They are also going to do third party again," Clinton said. "I'm not making any predictions, but I think they’ve got their eye on somebody who is currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate," Clinton said, referring to Gabbard, without mentioning the Hawaii representative by name.

"She is a favorite of the Russians. They have a bunch of sites and bots and other ways of supporting her so far. That's assuming Jill Stein will give it up, which she might not because she is also a Russian asset.

"They know they can't win without a third-party candidate, and so I do not know who it's going to be, but I can guarantee you they will have a vigorous third-party challenge in the key states that they most need it."
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Hillary Clinton says Tulsi Gabbard is a 'Russian asset' groomed to ensure Trump reelection
 
I am not a huge Trump guy but I really enjoy the sperg-out he has caused. The guy is an asshole, gets on twitter and says dumb shit but holy fuck look how the left responds. The media has lost it's fucking mind and in return the areas like California are worried about the "gender acculturation of whales on Sunday" or some shit.

Yeah I guess im a later "boomer" but this is fucking popcorn material for a lot of us. Minus vanster..that retard lost his mind
 
Does it not bother you that the person who's supposed to be the moral and ethical beacon of humanity, who's supposed to be what kids look up to in classrooms around the country, blah blah blah is like "hurr durr covevefe libtards!"?
 
SharpShooter said:
Does it not bother you that the person who's supposed to be the moral and ethical beacon of humanity, who's supposed to be what kids look up to in classrooms around the country, blah blah blah is like "hurr durr covevefe libtards!"?
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Ok like Obama? It's great when guys smile and plays Sax and do cool shit as your president and fucks you 2 ways from Sunday.

Is that what you mean?
 
SharpShooter said:
Does it not bother you that the person who's supposed to be the moral and ethical beacon of humanity, who's supposed to be what kids look up to in classrooms around the country, blah blah blah is like "hurr durr covevefe libtards!"?
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This is exactly why people like you can't understand Trump supporters.

No, compared to accepting the policies of the left, I'd far prefer a crude rude obnoxious guy of a president.

What we can't wrap our heads around is how you can think passing the insane leftist policies is better than voting for a guy who you find displeasing.
 
Trump Reason.com lol we got the best economists boys! MAGA!


Trump's Anti-China Trade Advisor Invented a Fake Economist To Sell His Protectionist Views
Peter Navarro also said Americans wouldn't pay the costs of Trump's tariffs, a claim that seems to be equally fabricated.
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Reason.com tends to lean libertarian or conservative but FAKE NEWS
 
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