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Mitchdubai
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161 - 10-01-2013, 13:16
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Where's that ****ing constitution thingy when you really need it?
 
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162 - 10-01-2013, 13:17
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The problem is, though that works for the relative minority of Americans who did not have health insurance, it is ****ing over the overwhelming majority of us who did. For the rest of us, it has increased our premiums 45-200%.

The parasitic nature of the lower class is starting to feel burdensome.
you're an idiot if you think obamacare increases premiums by that much.

fact: Obamacare will increase premiums 2-4% due to the 3 new taxes on insurance carriers. anything more than that is insurance carriers trying to use the ACA to sneak a higher rate increase.
 
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you're an idiot if you think obamacare increases premiums by that much.

fact: Obamacare will increase premiums 2-4% due to the 3 new taxes on insurance carriers. anything more than that is insurance carriers trying to use the ACA to sneak a higher rate increase.
Wait...... so what he said was correct? It lead to higher premiums? It doesn't matter if they are using the ACA to 'sneak' in a higher rate increase... if there is a higher rate increase due to the ACA, then it's still the ACA's fault, is it not?
 
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Yesterday: THE REPUBLICANS ARE TAKING ECONOMY HOSTAGE EVERYBODY PANIC

Today: DJIA is up .4%
 
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MadHatSam
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Does anyone have an actual breakdown on how the ACA is going to increase health insurance premiums? They were increasing about at the same rate prior to the passage of the ACA, and I am curious if there is more than just talking points.

For profit health care is just a terrible idea rife with moral hazards, also the entire health insurance system is a corrupt mess of inefficiencies. I have long felt like the only good that will come from the ACA is the death of the health insurance industry and the end of for profit health care.
 
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you're an idiot if you think obamacare increases premiums by that much.

fact: Obamacare will increase premiums 2-4% due to the 3 new taxes on insurance carriers. anything more than that is insurance carriers trying to use the ACA to sneak a higher rate increase.
Holy **** you're dumb.
 
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Buk Naked
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I think I have become the government's idea of the perfect American citizen - totally apathetic - do to me what you will...
 
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Does anyone have an actual breakdown on how the ACA is going to increase health insurance premiums? They were increasing about at the same rate prior to the passage of the ACA, and I am curious if there is more than just talking points.

For profit health care is just a terrible idea rife with moral hazards, also the entire health insurance system is a corrupt mess of inefficiencies. I have long felt like the only good that will come from the ACA is the death of the health insurance industry and the end of for profit health care.
Premiums don't mean dick when you have a $6,000 deductible, and $12,000 out of pocket maximum on the plan. Most people are still ****ed if they have something bad happen. It also depends on choices and level of care with that plan. I wish I could view the plans but the healthcare.gov website is still ****ed up.

I'm curious how adding millions of people to the pockets of the healthcare and insurance industry is going to somehow 'end' for-profit healthcare? That seems like it would have the opposite effect?
 
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ICMeltdown
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169 - 10-01-2013, 13:28
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So how many of you think what was passed was what was wanted?
 
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insurance companies raising premiums, pointing finger at obamacare

****ING GOVERNMENT SCREWING US AGAIN
 
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i already stated what i disagree with in my last post repub/dem doesnt matter, shutting down the government because you can't get your way on legislation through normal legislative&judicial processes is not the way to run a country.
I do see your point but the CR that only repealed the medical device tax (a change almost everyone agrees with) should have been accepted by the Senate and none of this would have happened.
 
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Premiums don't mean dick when you have a $6,000 deductible, and $12,000 out of pocket maximum on the plan. Most people are still ****ed if they have something bad happen. It also depends on choices and level of care with that plan. I wish I could view the plans but the healthcare.gov website is still ****ed up.

I'm curious how adding millions of people to the pockets of the healthcare and insurance industry is going to somehow 'end' for-profit healthcare? That seems like it would have the opposite effect?
Nothing you said here is new post ACA, but thanks for trying.

If the ACA is as much of a colossal disaster as the right is predicting and causes significant harm to the American consumer, the logical next step is to look at creating some form of national healthcare system. Of course expecting logic in healthcare reform might be wishful thinking.
 
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Does anyone have an actual breakdown on how the ACA is going to increase health insurance premiums? They were increasing about at the same rate prior to the passage of the ACA, and I am curious if there is more than just talking points.

For profit health care is just a terrible idea rife with moral hazards, also the entire health insurance system is a corrupt mess of inefficiencies. I have long felt like the only good that will come from the ACA is the death of the health insurance industry and the end of for profit health care.
I am paying $1458 for 80/20 right now, with vision and dental included.

Under Obamacare (when Cobra runs out) I will be paying $1500/yr more, have a higher out-of-pocket expense per person, and lose vision/dental. Oh, and Medicare tax goes up. I also lose our current doctors from my understanding.
 
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Yesterday: THE REPUBLICANS ARE TAKING ECONOMY HOSTAGE EVERYBODY PANIC

Today: DJIA is up .4%
You think the DJIA is an accurate measurement of how the economy is doing?

more specifically...

You think a 4 hour performance of the DJIA is an accurate measurement of the impact government policies/behaviors have on the economy?

 
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The problem is, though that works for the relative minority of Americans who did not have health insurance, it is ****ing over the overwhelming majority of us who did. For the rest of us, it has increased our premiums 45-200%.

The parasitic nature of the lower class is starting to feel burdensome.
lol wut?
 
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You think a 4 hour performance of the DJIA is an accurate measurement of the impact government policies/behaviors have on the economy?
 
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I am paying $1458 for 80/20 right now, with vision and dental included.

Under Obamacare (when Cobra runs out) I will be paying $1500/yr more, have a higher out-of-pocket expense per person, and lose vision/dental. Oh, and Medicare tax goes up. I also lose our current doctors from my understanding.
That sucks, but there were similar anecdotes trotted out about why we needed Obamacare in the first place. Again your situation doesn't sound like something that wasn't happening prior to the ACA, and I was curious if people had more thorough explanations of how the ACA is the direct cause of the current rise in insurance costs over the cost increases that were occurring prior to the passing of the ACA.
 
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For profit health care is just a terrible idea rife with moral hazards, also the entire health insurance system is a corrupt mess of inefficiencies.
Nobody is arguing that. Our "current" (previous?) system has a lot of problems and needs to be updated (regulated or de-regulated?) to plug the holes.

Obamacare is worse. When my premiums double next month so my provider can afford to pay all the new taxes (you didn't think they would just absorb that cost, did you? ) and so the government can buy insurance for all the "low-income family" hood rats buying steak, lobster, alcohol, and cigarettes with their EBT cards and 30 million illegal immigrants -- that's not "better" than what I had yesterday. That's government sponsored theft.

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I have long felt like the only good that will come from the ACA is the death of the health insurance industry and the end of for profit health care.
It also takes incentive (money) directly away from hospitals and doctors. Good luck finding a specialist when Obamacare mandates they be paid exactly the same as every other doctor. Good luck finding experimental cancer research when Obamacare restricts and rations specialized medicine and strips hospitals of their ability and motivation to provide it.

Of course they want the insurance industry to crash. That paves the way for 100% socialized medicine, which has always been the liberal-progressive end game.

If it means shutting down the government to stop Obamacare, then so be it. Shut this mother****er down.
 
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Detox.enD
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That sucks, but there were similar anecdotes trotted out about why we needed Obamacare in the first place. Again your situation doesn't sound like something that wasn't happening prior to the ACA, and I was curious if people had more thorough explanations of how the ACA is the direct cause of the current rise in insurance costs over the cost increases that were occurring prior to the passing of the ACA.
You're asking for too much.
 
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180 - 10-01-2013, 13:43
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...and yet there are plenty of people on the right who talk about it being free while paying over $1,000/year extra on their own premiums to pay for the uninsured.

I never figured how many them pay something was worse than them paying nothing...
 
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