WikiLeaks Vault#7 thread
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MasterGnr
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I have no clue what country you are from, but let's assume the US wanted to be less "fucked up". We could take a purely isolationist stance, and recall every troop deployed outside of our border. We could decide to keep our naval fleets out there with USMC MEUs for emergencies, but mostly we could pull out of Afghanistan, Japan, Korea, Iraq, all those little shit holes all around the world that the Soldiers there...trust me I was one...would rather not be anyway!. Let's do it!
Now of course, this means other countries (like yours?) will have to either pick up the slack or do nothing. Then something bad happens because we left (before you say it won't happen look at ISIS in Iraq) and the UN will want countries to help but fuck the UN. So...bad things will happen, innocents will die and the global community will ask why the US is not out there protecting people and we'll say "we want health care for our people more than we want to protect the world from evil people". Putin can have europe...we'll have great health care.
If we stop caring about the rest of the world, there will be less wars? lol
Russia's economy is probably 1/3 the size of France.
I don't pretend to know what it takes to make for geo political peace - apparently neither does the go'vt with all it's vast resources, so I'm not felling too bad about that.
My argument is that $700Bn/yr. is an astronomical sum given the expenditures by any other country. Things like spending $1,000,000,000,000.00 on the F35 - when robot planes are just 20 years away seems like an insane amount of money to spend, don't you agree?
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What's wrong with Canuck? That's what I use. It's also a good descriptor for the hockey team of that name lols
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MasterGnr
Veteran XX
lol wat
Barry forced us out of Iraq for political points, against most recommendations from both military and diplomatic advisors. Iraq couldn't (and still can't) defend itself. ISIS rolled over them, and took major cities and bases. All facts - go look it up.
The only reason they are making gains now is that we have advisors at BN level, we have created a C4ISR network, and are providing CAS and indirect fire support (not to mention our troops in contact).
MasterGnr
Veteran XX
You won't find me supporting the F-35 for many reasons, and $$ is only one. I do agree that there are smarter purchases but it costs to maintain a military that needs to be able to take on peer threats. 5 branches, each with both active and reserve components, have lots of training that needs to occur and equipment that needs modernized and/or maintained. That takes money.
Lots of things are 20 years away - but who do you think is paying for the robot planes? If shit goes down 8 years from now, do we tell the enemy "stop, we are not done developing technology so our military is cheaper to maintain"?
I was a cheap bastard when I was young (and not getting paid a lot as a private) so I kept skipping the whole "maintain your car" shit - and then the car died. It cost me more to repair it than it would have been to maintain it. It was just a car. Fail to maintain your military and you don't get a second chance.
It's always easy to spot the idiots with zero military experience.
The F-35 has been in the works for 10+ years. Most air frames are designed to last 30 years. Even if robot planes exist in 20 years you can't let your competitors get ahead of you technologically if you expect to keep the advantage.
$700 billion to protect the entire world is a lot of money. Maybe the rest of the world should meet their NATO bills so we can cut back.
Oh wait, they can't because their socialist policies eat their entire budget.
the will of the people was war wariness and get the fuck out of iraq
so he was doing what he was elected to do
it was a bad plan but hey, democracies suck because idiots get to be in charge (of who runs the ship)
its like taking a vote on who gets to be the fucking captain
how bout the guys with the most experience?
oh, no? it's gonna be the dude that is best at glad handing and karaoke?
...alright
your a little late to the party gg (good grief) fox new
https://www.wired.com/2014/07/hackers-can-control-your-phone-using-a-tool-thats-already-built-into-it/
How many F16's and F18's have been shot down over 30 years? 1? 2? How many F22's? 0.
Yet the F35 is needed to keep ahead of ... who?
You don't need to answer that I am not enthusiastic about engaging in another conversation with a knucklehead. gl hf peace
[N]PRIME189
Veteran XX
Absent diesel subs can shoot down the 22. Build the 35
I checked to see how many US F16's and F18's have been shot down over the last 30 years:
ONE. Just one.
List of aircraft shootdowns - Wikipedia
It's not clear to me why the plane is even important - it's the missile that does the work. All the planes shot down was by missile, often beyond visual range.
But that won't stop the US Air Farce from spending $1,000,000,000,000 tax payer dollars on "keeping ahead."
ONE. Just one.
List of aircraft shootdowns - Wikipedia
It's not clear to me why the plane is even important - it's the missile that does the work. All the planes shot down was by missile, often beyond visual range.
But that won't stop the US Air Farce from spending $1,000,000,000,000 tax payer dollars on "keeping ahead."
The only reason ISIS got in there in the first place is because the US and the coalition of the dumb made up all that bullshit about WMD and then killed Saddam who was keeping them in check.
Most of the world was a pretty cool place in 1991 u know, now look at it.