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I will back this up as a career firefighter. Look in to some of the problems firefighters have when combating open web steel truss fires. Open web steel truss is common in buildings with large open areas like "box stores" (Best Buy) or supermarkets or warehouses, since it allows virtually unimpeded floor space due to not needing additional structural support members vertically.

As the steel heats it begins to bend and lose integrity.
Unfortunately there has never been a box store that is 1776 feet tall.
 
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Ive read over 4000 books on this topic, and every conceivable report by everyone on the planet

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First Questions:

1) For what reasons could 9/11 have happened the way we have been told?

2) For what reasons could 9/11 have been done by our own government?

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Greetings,

-Bush administration ignored the warnings from the Clinton administration in regards to Bin Laden, Bush was interested in taking down Saddam
-Bush administration, Rice especially, lied about Saddam having weapons of mass destruction (meaning they are capable of lying about 9/11)
-the 3rd tower (WTC building #7) to collapse, collapsed in the evening on 9/11 even though it was not hit. The US government has stated fire was to blame however where did the fire come from? If this is the case this is the first skyscraper to collapse in history due to fire
-the 3rd tower collapsed inwards, demolition style. I have yet to hear reasons why the 3rd tower collapsed in this manner instead of falling sideways
-towers 1 & 2 collapsed floor by floor due to the design so it is possible the 3rd tower collapsed due to the same reason however where the fire came from is still a mystery
-towers 1 & 2 initial collapse happen on the 1st 7 or so top floors. For the north tower this is understandable since the plane exploded near there, however the south tower I still have questions since the plane that hit there hit far below the top floors. Then again, fire travels upwards however I still find it questioning that when the south tower collapsed it was the top 6 or 7 floors that collapsed (instead of the floors in the area of the initial plane hit)first that started the domino stacking effect of the remainder of the collapse

Cheers, Eagle Scream
PS: My personal opinion is that some in the Bush administration knew about 9/11 before hand however they did not think it would be as big as it was (at the time Al Qaeda had killed maybe 20-50 Americans tops overseas so no one would take them seriously). I do recognize it is possible that the Bush administration could have been behind it (due to their ability to lie to the American public, plus the fact that I still have questions about the collapse of WTC #7, plus how the south tower initially failed I still do not understand) however I do not think anyone in their administration would PLAN such a thing. I believe that they knew it was possible it could happen but did not take steps to block it as it would serve their purpose for a war in Iraq. At the very least they were incompetent in preparing for it (the same way they were incompetent in dealing with Hurricane Katrina (researchers had stated a year earlier that if a category 3 or larger hurricane were to hit New Orleans the levees would fail)). When they knew Hurricane Katrina was going to hit for sure it was at category 5 status (it hit at category 4 status) meaning New Orleans should have been evacuated (especially in light of what happened to Port Au Prince (I believe it was) in Haiti the year before due to Hurricane J (gosh forget the name, started with a J, was after Ivan in 04) - someone is sure to rip me for bringing this into this argument however it shows the character of the Bush administration that they were incompetent in dealing with other things.

Bush and many Americans have a megalomanic complex in view of their society. Like any great empire they believe they cannot be defeated. They became great at a time they believed and followed God however nowadays they choose to ignore such teachings. I am not stating this is why 9/11 happened or why the home of Mardi Gras was hit by a hurricane, however I am bringing it forward as an interesting side note. Like the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD (or about there), prior to 9/11 there was a forewarning. The bomb attacks in 93. Obviously no one could have predicted such an incident however good business planning prepares for the unthinkable, the uncontrollable environmental aspects of business. Al Qaeda had declared 'war' against America and her allies in 98 so they were a threat. They still were a threat when Bush, against CIA advice, went after Saddam instead of finishing the war against the Taliban. This will prove costly in the long run as terrorist training camps that were run by Al Qaeda have now spread to Iraq and recently to Algeria. ...

Anyhow I digressed big time from the original question however it is such a complex issue with so many facets that I could not just ignore...
 
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all i know or care about 9/11 is the "terrorists" pretty much played us for fools, caused us to get to the edge of bankrupty and pretty much knocked the most powerful nation in history flat on its ass.

you can debate soliders lost and a bunch of stuff all you want, but a few smart guys in caves have had a large impact on destroying our economy and causing millions of Americans pain every day.

Like the sheep we are we let our govt lead us to an endless war we cant win. God we are dumb.
 
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yes our economy is completely destroyed, i havent eaten in months
 
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things are so ****ing terrible now guys there is nothing but pain and anguish in the world now!

hold on time to surf some porn on the internet with my awesome computer
 
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all i know or care about 9/11 is the "terrorists" pretty much played us for fools, caused us to get to the edge of bankrupty and pretty much knocked the most powerful nation in history flat on its ass.

you can debate soliders lost and a bunch of stuff all you want, but a few smart guys in caves have had a large impact on destroying our economy and causing millions of Americans pain every day.

Like the sheep we are we let our govt lead us to an endless war we cant win. God we are dumb.
You're very ignorant if you believe that.

I'm not saying you're stupid, I'm just saying that you are woefully, embarrassingly misinformed.

The American economy was headed for the skids before 9/11 occurred, and control of the Middle East (and more specifically - control of the flow of oil, which has been the pillar of the American economy for half a century) was on the Bush administration's agenda. (Nothing to do with George W personally, who is nothing but a teleprompter-reading puppet idiot.)

Setting up Afghanistan for an oil/gas pipeline was part of the plan, (an act that would nullify Iran's strategic place in the region), and controlling Iraq's oilfields was also. Since we already has Saudi Arabia and Kuwait in our back pocket, these actions would put the American economy on more solid footing in the future.

I don't know how to get this message across to people... for the love of God y'all, IT'S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH "FREEDOM" OR "RELIGION" OR "EXTREMISTS" OR "GREED" OR "IDEOLOGY" OR ANYTHING ELSE, all of that is just window dressing for the core motivation of why we do anything - O I L.

Our entire civilization is dependent on crude oil. Period. The "almighty dollar" became the ALMIGHTY DOLLAR based on OIL. And until recently, that position wasn't threatened economically. Only now with the explosion of oil demand in China, India, etc, and with the EU coming online as an economic powerhouse, America simply had to shift gears and rearrange the playing field to keep it on top. Or, at the very least, keep it in the game.

I know I go on a lot about the whole 9/11 thing, and the Bush administration and so forth, but I think people get the wrong idea of why I go on about it. Believe it or not, I don't condemn the Bush administration exactly, even though I think it's 100 percent guilty in facilitating 9/11. America had to control the oil in order for us to maintain our way of life, our standard of living, and our position in the world.

The results of 9/11 gave us the window dressing needed to do it.
 
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