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Aww, you couldn't answer my little example there about 'Whatism.' Well, once you answer that, I'll continue to respond. You're not refuting anything I'm saying, you're just babbling on. At this point I'm just repeating myself over and over while you ignore everything that disproves your bias, lopsided, idiotic logic...

'A' is a religion. 'B' is its self proclaimed followers. If B ignored A's rules and does whatever they want, it's clearly A's fault.

You're right. I can't argue with that logic.
 
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So you think that making up a scenario, then posing a question based on an impossibility in that scenario, and basing your requirement to actually pose a rational argument, on solving that impossibility, is a viable debate tactic to somehow give an illusion of relevance to your obviously retarded version of a religion? You are definitely a Christian, because you think you can trick your way out of being required to not tell lies.

My statements stand unrefuted. I actually refuse to answer you. You' less than a ****ing child. I'm not the one who believes this nonsense.

lol!
 
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Go play Christian Question Ladder somewhere else. Where the other retarded subhumans go.
 
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watching religious people fight is like watching two retards race in the special olympics
 
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Oh, okay, well countless atheist leaders have committed mass genocide in very organized fashions.
sure but find one that did it in the name of atheism, or because some atheistic tenant told them to.
 
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sure but find one that did it in the name of atheism, or because some atheistic tenant told them to.
I'm pretty sure the tenants of atheism are the sciences. (I know, I'm stretching it here but **** you I wanna play too.) Some pretty horrid ****s been done in the name of science as well. No one is perfect, no belief or lack thereof can shield you from humanity.
 
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sure but find one that did it in the name of atheism, or because some atheistic tenant told them to.

By the virtue of what defines atheism, the lack of God, you won't find an event or person who carries it out "because there is no God".


However, you will find plenty of very prominent events in recent history that were committed in a very worldly spirit and for reasons that certainly fall into the same realm of atheism.

Hitler is credited with killing 3 million people for the cause of National Socialism. Stalin directly executed more then half a million people (not counting those who died indirectly due to his terror campaign) to purge Communist Russia of dissidents and Pol Pot (of Cambodia) engaged in open genocide to eliminate from his country more then 1/5th of his native population (more then 1.5 million people, some say closer to 2.5 million).

All of these people died from out right humanistic reasoning and not for a Godly cause at all. All within the last 80 years. Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot all claim to have done their deeds in the name of humanity by culling human civilization of it's imperfect elements.


In short, human beings have been killing each other for all of it's history and have used every excuse under the sun to do it. Religion has certainly been a popular one, but Atheism is relatively new dogma and yet it's certainly off too a grisly start, chalking up some impressive numbers despite its short time on the worlds stage.
 
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It's great when two suckers for the jew start mauling each other.
although jesus was a jew, he was highly against the jewish culture of the 1st century

so you should like him

ALSO:

the video is grainy so i can't tell, but that muslim sure acted like a nig
 
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"She does pack a good right cross though, I'll tell you that."
 
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So you think that making up a scenario, then posing a question based on an impossibility in that scenario, and basing your requirement to actually pose a rational argument, on solving that impossibility, is a viable debate tactic to somehow give an illusion of relevance to your obviously retarded version of a religion? You are definitely a Christian, because you think you can trick your way out of being required to not tell lies.

My statements stand unrefuted. I actually refuse to answer you. You' less than a ****ing child. I'm not the one who believes this nonsense.

lol!
Simmer down, Jew. I'll make a new scenario, which I'm sure you'll say it's impossible as well.

Christianity says 'thou shalt not kill.' A self-proclaimed Christian goes on a killing spree and claims that it's in the name of Christianity.

Is that person a Christian and is it Christianity's fault?

Come on Jewboy, I know you can answer it.
 
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sure but find one that did it in the name of atheism, or because some atheistic tenant told them to.
All I have to do it point to countless non-religious leaders who committed genocide. That's the only tenant of atheism, no belief in God.

You can't say that it's not atheism's fault, but at the same time, make some magical connection to religions that self-proclaimed followers whom blatantly disobey their religion, and then say that it's the religion's fault.

What Christian tenant told the self-proclaimed Pope to push the Crusades?
What Christian tenant told them to reclaim Jerusalem?
What Christian tenant says commit genocide against anyone who isn't a Pope-following Catholic?
What Christian tenant even mentions a Pope existing in the first place?
 
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What you retards always forget is the same thing over and over. It has nothing to do with religion or lack thereof. People will find any excuse to persecute and murder each other, whether it be jealousy, hate, revenge, greed, political gain, power, money, whatever. This is what we do.

Religious itself is for the weak in spirit/mind. This is why poor people are commonly more religious. They have nothing else to turn to. For most, it gives a sense of hope that otherwise they would not have any of (which I think is good). Can it be abused? Yep, just like everything else.

Are all religions perfect? **** no. A vast majority are insane and sickening. If a religion said to murder your neighbors if you want their land, what type of ****ing retard would actually follow it? I tell you who, the same type of retard that would murder his neighbor for his land WITHOUT religion telling him to.

Show me the Crusades and I can show you millions upon millions of more deaths that have nothing to do with religion.
 
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both posts, tl;dr
 
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Show me the Crusades and I can show you millions upon millions of more deaths that have nothing to do with religion.
This at least finally admits that it was religion that was the cause.

Which you kept denying.

And I'm far from being a Jew, lol
 
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Here is a 1 on 1 example of how countless wars have started over centuries of false beliefs.
 
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Simmer down, Jew. I'll make a new scenario, which I'm sure you'll say it's impossible as well.

Christianity says 'thou shalt not kill.' A self-proclaimed Christian goes on a killing spree and claims that it's in the name of Christianity.

Is that person a Christian and is it Christianity's fault?

Come on Jewboy, I know you can answer it.
That, one of the 10 Commandments, is actually phrased 'Thou shall not murder'. Not 'kill'. Murder being an unlawful killing. The OT is filled with military actions by the Jews, acting under orders from God.
 
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i don';t know what validuz has been arguing about (didn't read the thread) but i bet it's retarded

am i right?
 
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By the virtue of what defines atheism, the lack of God, you won't find an event or person who carries it out "because there is no God".
that's the my point.
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However, you will find plenty of very prominent events in recent history that were committed in a very worldly spirit and for reasons that certainly fall into the same realm of atheism.
fall into the same realm as atheism? what does that even mean? let's see if you explain this.

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Hitler is credited with killing 3 million people for the cause of National Socialism. Stalin directly executed more then half a million people (not counting those who died indirectly due to his terror campaign) to purge Communist Russia of dissidents and Pol Pot (of Cambodia) engaged in open genocide to eliminate from his country more then 1/5th of his native population (more then 1.5 million people, some say closer to 2.5 million).

All of these people died from out right humanistic reasoning and not for a Godly cause at all. All within the last 80 years. Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot all claim to have done their deeds in the name of humanity by culling human civilization of it's imperfect elements.
right so... no tie to atheism. we're on the same side here.

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In short, human beings have been killing each other for all of it's history and have used every excuse under the sun to do it. Religion has certainly been a popular one, but Atheism is relatively new dogma and yet it's certainly off too a grisly start, chalking up some impressive numbers despite its short time on the worlds stage.
wait a second

you've pointed out no one killed int he name of atheism, or because atheism demanded killing or spreading the dogma. in short, no one committed these atrocities because they were an atheist.

you point out some famous mass murderers. all good

then you conclude "atheism is certainly off too a grisly start"

well colour me confused because you haven't explained this connection. i can leap forward a post and you can point out that with the exception of hitler, these evil men were atheists but they did not commit their atrocities because they were an atheist.
 
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All I have to do it point to countless non-religious leaders who committed genocide. That's the only tenant of atheism, no belief in God.
nm i should have known better than to point this out to you. i apologize for the confusion.
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You can't say that it's not atheism's fault, but at the same time, make some magical connection to religions that self-proclaimed followers whom blatantly disobey their religion, and then say that it's the religion's fault.

What Christian tenant told the self-proclaimed Pope to push the Crusades?
What Christian tenant told them to reclaim Jerusalem?
What Christian tenant says commit genocide against anyone who isn't a Pope-following Catholic?
What Christian tenant even mentions a Pope existing in the first place?
well when you leave the old testament out, which seems to convenient to me in light of the fact more people seem to be arguing points these days (creation, homosexuality) based on **** in there, the pope controlled a sect of christianity. you may have heard of "catholics" it's kind of a thing.

anyhow i'm sure someone else will point out the difference to you (again) and you won't get it (again) and it will result in a bunch of wasted disk space somewhere.

in light of that fact i'll just leave things at that and proceed to just attack you for the comedy value.
 
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i don';t know what validuz has been arguing about (didn't read the thread) but i bet it's retarded

am i right?
 
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