The true nature of socialism

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I think this really says all that needs to be said about communism, and what we are seeing right now in the western world with "capitalism". This is why Bankers funded the communists, because it was about wealth control, not about true freedom for the masses. How do you think Communism survived for so long in the world? Private banks made money off of it, especially during the cold war with the massive spending on the military in both countries.

If one understand that socialism is not a share-the-wealth program, but is in reality a method to consolidate and control the wealth, then the seeming paradox of super-rich men promoting socialism becomes no paradox at all. Instead, it becomes logical, even the perfect tool of power-seking megalomaniacs.

Communism, or more accurately, socialism, is not a movement of the downtrodden masses, but of th economic elite

- Gary Allen, author.
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religious wingnut -> socialist wingnut -> nanosocialist meganut -> libertarian wingnut

I predict the next phase will be his finest: fascist wingnut
 
I'm confused. Aren't you supposed to be touting your socialist agenda? This seems to be the polar opposite to the usual orbital threads...
 
Lenin even knew what was going on. They weren't the ones in control, it was the bankers who could remove their money if the leaders didn't do what they wanted.

The state does not function as we desired. The car does not obey. A man is at the wheel and seems to lead it, but the car does not drive in the desired direction. It moves as another force wishes.

Vladimir Lenin
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krustyy said:
I'm confused. Aren't you supposed to be touting your socialist agenda? This seems to be the polar opposite to the usual orbital threads...
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These forms of government are not as they seem. This is the problem. Their implementation is such that they are completely corrupted. It matters not who rules, what policy is enacted. As long as the banks control the money then things will continue down the path we are currently on.
 
Can you map out how this all fits together for us?

I mean, I think you start out alright (governments are corrupt and seek power - many people overlook it to remain comfortable), but then you go over the edge when you start talking about alien laser rays and such.
 
Want further proof?

The course of Russian history has indeed, been greatly affected by the operations of international bankers.... The Soviet Government has been given United States Treasury funds by the Federal Reserve Board ... acting through the Chase bank.

England has drawn money from us through the Federal Reserve banks and has re-lent it at high rates of interest to the Soviet Government.... The Dnieperstory Dam was built wtih funds unlawfully taken from the United States Treasury by the corrupt and dishonest Federal Reserver Board and the Federal Reserver banks.

- Rep. Louis T. McFadden (D-PA)
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Darksidesmoker said:
ya sorry

Hey orbital who should be in control if not the government or the people with money?
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The government should be in control. Not private interests who are only in it for their own profit, not the benefit of the people. Whatever maximizes their profit is what matters. If they can drain a country dry and move that consumption to another country, like China or India, then they have no reason to continue to keep a country like the US going as it currently is. I think this is what we are seeing right now.

Production was moved to Asia. Asia is now experiencing an increase in purchasing power, at the expense of the US. It makes sense when you see that there are 2+ billion people in India and China, who can consume/purchase and produce far more than the US can. They can lose the US and make a bigger profit in Asia. It makes perfect business sense.
 
Teratos said:
Can you map out how this all fits together for us?

I mean, I think you start out alright (governments are corrupt and seek power - many people overlook it to remain comfortable), but then you go over the edge when you start talking about alien laser rays and such.
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It would take several volumes of books in order to do this. There are literally thousands of pages of documents that are out there for the public to read. But you have to spend the time researching it, and even then, people will just dismiss it without a second thought. It doesn't fit with what they have been told by their teachers and their media.
 
Then that isn't true socialism/communism...

It has never been achieved and may never be achieved, you cannot even call these horrific attempts communism or socialism, they stray too far from the ideal.
 
My cat thinks you're mis-informed.
To take the words of fringe people and invest them with truth is pushing the troll envelope a bit far.

When chuck says so, then we'll believe it.
 
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