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101 - 03-29-2011, 09:19
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AHHHHH CONSITWOSHUN!
 
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Constitutional Litmus Test:

Is the federal government's ability to tax your income unconstitutional?
 
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thats what your mom said last night
 
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Constitutional Litmus Test:

Is the federal government's ability to tax your income unconstitutional?
According to Article 1, section 8 it isnt.
 
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Medicare has a $38 trillion projected shortfall, Medicare donut hole
Medicare is more efficient than private insurance companies. The funding shortfall has nothing to do with efficiency and all to do with how it is funded.

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VA is terrible at everything except the GI Bill. Anyone who is envious of VA hospitals has never been in a VA hospital.
While this may be true, it isn't the same thing as what Vermont is attempting. I would agree that the U.S. attempting to go the NHS route (Great Brittan) would be a disaster. Vermont is basically just going to insure people, every thing else remains private.

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US military was never civilian, is terribly inefficient, and is hiring more efficient contractors.
One word..

U.S. Militia

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(idk anything about oil production in Europe, except that gas is like $10/gal)

Police, libraries, fire depts, lifeguards hah, park rangers, roads, dams, bridges have never been private sector and aren't comparable. (besides, libraries, park rangers, roads, dams, bridges are very inefficient). I asked which industry has been taken over by the government and then became more efficient.
False.

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You don't think that health insurance companies are regulated at all? Employer based health insurance tax incentive but no individual incentive, you can't buy across state lines, states mandate practically what every plan must cover, some states forbid catastrophic coverage... health care is one of the most regulated industries there is.
No doubt, and it will remain so regardless. They need to be regulated or they will **** you dry which they manage to do now even though they are regulated by the states.
 
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Medicare has a $38 trillion projected shortfall, Medicare donut hole
Cost growth, as with the VA, is 3-10 times less than private care. Funding it is an issue...when you give the money to the richest in such an insanely irresponsible manner as the Bush tax cuts did. It's hard to hold out hope that we'll ever recover from them frankly.

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VA is terrible at everything except the GI Bill. Anyone who is envious of VA hospitals has never been in a VA hospital.
Great story! The research says the opposite but you're entitled to your imagination-based position.

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US military was never civilian
Minutemen.

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is terribly inefficient
Another imaginary artifact, nice. Contractors get triple the pay of the soldiers...not that I begrudge guys getting shot at getting paid, but shouldn't we use that money to pay and equip the guys who took an oath (and conveniently have an actual chain of command, standard of training, logistics infrastructure...oh never ****ing mind)?

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and is hiring more efficient contractors.
For **** sake, so soon?


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Police, libraries, fire depts, lifeguards hah, park rangers, roads, dams, bridges have never been private sector and aren't comparable. (besides, libraries, park rangers, roads, dams, bridges are very inefficient). I asked which industry has been taken over by the government and then became more efficient.
Of course they have, who did it before those services were public, dufus? Who contracted out for roads before government financed it? Private parties, ie, random mulecarts, and it wasn't considered to be terribly efficient until we elected a Hussein Obama.


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You don't think that health insurance companies are regulated at all?
Not nearly enough on a federal level.

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Employer based health insurance tax incentive but no individual incentive
I'm confused, do you want more regulation here or less? I'm all for moving the system away from employment...that's exactly what a public option does. Obamacare does this to a certain extent.

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you can't buy across state lines
Your ****ty Alabama coverage is illegal in California. Will of the people and all that. What you just said is you'd like a federal regulation requiring us to sell that **** here...get your story straight.

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states mandate practically what every plan must cover, some states forbid catastrophic coverage...
Again, that sounds like you would prefer a federal regulation requiring states offer that coverage... aren't the states supposed to make that call, like California did? I'm all for getting some sane standards nationally, but you're all over the place. What do you want, other than a broken system to fix itself magically by the power of your ideology?

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health care is one of the most regulated industries there is.
As you just pointed out, while it is highly regulated on a state level, there's nothing to enforce a minimum standard on a national level, and patchwork pirate system is not working.
 
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Cut funding to government programs for decades -> Point to said programs as evidence of government inefficiency.

 
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According to Article 1, section 8 it isnt.
lol fail
 
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when aj starts commenting on financial issues, you're best bet is to go against whatever he says.
 
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Medicare is more efficient than private insurance companies.
That must be why all the private insurance companies are failing and medicare is doing so well
 
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private insurance companies are doing well because they're raping us.

not defending medicare, or a single payer system.

just saying. we're getting raped.
 
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private insurance companies are doing well because they're raping us.
Oh I get it. They should just give us free healthcare...

Great idea. No **** there whatsoever


I mean, the insurance companies couldn't be raising premiums because of anyone already raping the system or anything.


No way. Uh-uh. No sir.
 
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Oh I get it. They should just give us free healthcare...
Insurance companies don't provide health care derp, doctors do.
 
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Oh I get it. They should just give us free healthcare...

Great idea. No **** there whatsoever


I mean, the insurance companies couldn't be raising premiums because of anyone already raping the system or anything.


No way. Uh-uh. No sir.
As someone who works in the health care system, i find it absolutely laughable that you would approach a comment like 'the insurance companies are raping us' with the sarcastic response of 'well, then it should be free'.

the amount of wasted money in red tape, unneeded procedures, bull**** tests, and people who don't pay their bills is what kills the system. as does the ever-increasing cost of mal practice insurance due to the 10% of doctors that actually have to use it on a regular basis and should be removed from practice, but aren't because noone wants to be the one to point out their fellow doctor should lose their job.

add to that the fact that insurance companies do whatever they can to get out of a claim, and you have the disgusting mess we have.

you're a nurse. you're well aware of the situation. you know how i know? because i'm marreid to a nurse, and after 4 years of experience she's well aware of how ****ed up the system is. if you're not aware of it, than you're dumber than we all thought.

so stop being a dip****.
 
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One word..

U.S. Militia

No doubt, and it will remain so regardless. They need to be regulated or they will **** you dry which they manage to do now even though they are regulated by the states.
I don't got time for the other stuff. US Militia: you mean the guys who weren't paid for months/years at a time and lived at Valley Forge for their barracks and beat the most powerful military in the world? That's ****ing efficient.


On HC: You can say the same exact thing about any other industry. "Bank industry would **** you dry," "phone industry will **** you dry..." I hear so much about the "race to the bottom" bs, when in reality when there is little regulation all I've seen is a race to the top because the top makes the most money. The only time when we, as consumers, as a whole, really get ****ed over by an industry like what you're talking about is when there's no competition. Because of this stupid state line boundary crap, I can only shop among like 6 companies and it's almost impossible for new ones to get started b/c of the regulations.
 
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so stop being a dip****.
#1 - You're talking to F*ng*r
#2 - This is TW

You may be expecting a little much
 
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I don't got time for the other stuff. US Militia: you mean the guys who weren't paid for months/years at a time and lived at Valley Forge for their barracks and beat the most powerful military in the world? That's ****ing efficient.


On HC: You can say the same exact thing about any other industry. "Bank industry would **** you dry," "phone industry will **** you dry..." I hear so much about the "race to the bottom" bs, when in reality when there is little regulation all I've seen is a race to the top because the top makes the most money. The only time when we, as consumers, as a whole, really get ****ed over by an industry like what you're talking about is when there's no competition. Because of this stupid state line boundary crap, I can only shop among like 6 companies and it's almost impossible for new ones to get started b/c of the regulations.
Didn't Enron and the rolling blackouts in California happen in a deregulated market? I would say every taxpayer and consumer got royally ****ed that time.
 
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your personal consent to the social contract is not required, it is automatically assumed by your status as a citizen of the country in which you currently reside. im not saying that's a good thing, but that's simply the way things are.
I agree 100%.

You apparently assumed I was being sarcastic. I wasn't.
 
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The social contract as you put it does not negate your natural rights.
If you are making the argument that your natural rights still exist even if your chosen society disregards them, well..so what?

Rights available to a person exist only as far as their society allows. Which is to say that, in reality, there are neither natural nor inherent...only allowed.

At one time, our society was founded on the notion of certain inalienable rights but "eroded over time" has replaced "shall not be infringed."
 
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lol natural rights

Your rights exist as long as you come from a wealthy nation, otherwise you depend on the charity of the wealthy for those 'rights'.
 
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