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That's a tougher challenge when it comes to character development when you have a diverse group of characters to work with.
even tougher when you spend entire episodes around completely asinine topics
 
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Yes. Also, they've burned three of the first fifteen on Bortis being gay with a transsexual child. So, that doesn't help either.
 
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It takes time to develop characters. TNG wasn't all that great in the first 2-3 seasons. .
1-2 yes. 3 was definitely when they hit stride
 
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It takes time to develop characters. TNG wasn't all that great in the first 2-3 seasons. It took time to find their stride. When you have a 24 episode season you have that luxury, especially when you know you are going to be around for a while.

IMO, DS9 had some of the best character development arcs of all of Star Trek, but the first 2 seasons where pretty bland.

The Orville has had only 15 episodes thus far, just a little more than half a regular season of traditional Star Trek to get character arcs going. That's a tougher challenge when it comes to character development when you have a diverse group of characters to work with.
I agree that Trek had more time/episodes to develop characters - That's not my problem with Orville.

The problem is these characters exist in a show that's 80% slap stick comedy and 20% drama. Who is Bortus as a character? He's the straight man among a crew of zany misfits. His payoff is when he doesn't get the joke or tries to participate in recreation with other species... or when you realize the irony of a gay 'straight man'. We've had 3 'serious' development episodes for him and they've been some of the worst because it doesn't fit the show. It also doesn't advance the character in his part of the ensemble.

I don't want a serious Gordon episode. He's the exact opposite of that. He drinks on the job. What does his character develop into? Someone who acts professionally? That's not the Orville. Revealing John to be smarter than he lets on was another misstep by the writers; it completely undermined the character.

The Krill episode was a great Orville episode - I don't think it even had a 'B plot'. It was funny, it developed the 'universe' of the show and it didn't even have a happy ending for Ed. It had development and complexity without having to throw a comedic character into a life of homosexuality, gender alteration, porn addiction and a failing marriage.

I was fine with Alara. She was the skinny girl who was stronger than anyone but doubted her herself outside that singular description. Her episodes challenged her doubts and you had genuine development that fit fine within the tone of the show (the crew depending on her in a crisis that she couldn't solve with brute strength). I also don't mind the doctor struggling as a single mom to raise kids simply because they threw Isaac in there to constantly provide comedic relief. A single parent episode like Worf or Beverly had on TNG doesn't fit this show.

If you're going to challenge social or existential issues then do it as a conflict encounter. It could be an anomaly or a world or something. It's worked pretty great for all the other episodes. When the episode is over, it's on to the next adventure. That's not the case with Bortus. The writers now have to keep working his ham-fisted home life into future episodes which is fine if it fits the comedic tone but little of it does.
 
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**** **** ****. Did they really get rid of my favorite character? That's it, I'm done with this ****ing show.
 
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Gandalf, you are really bad at bo4.
 
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I never had any interest in the Orville until I saw how bad RT critics hate it. Now I want to binge it.
 
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Gandalf, you are really bad at bo4.
Duh.
 
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**** **** ****. Did they really get rid of my favorite character? That's it, I'm done with this ****ing show.
Whatever the reason for her departure - be it contract-related or MacFarlane dipping his pen in the company ink - you can be sure it's a stupid reason. And those are the most painful reasons of them all.
 
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She's filming some miniseries for Netflix, it's a temporary leave.
 
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'The Orville': FOX Confirms Halston Sage's Exit

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After ComicBook.com reached out, FOX confirmed that “Home” was Sage's last episode as a series regular, but that the door remained open for her to return in the future.

FOX did not provide a reason for Sage’s departure.

“Home” aired on January 10th and saw Sage’s character, Lt. Alara Kitan, resign her post aboard the USS Orville. The episode led to speculation and discussion among fans of the show about Sage and Alara’s future.

There have been rumors about Sage's departure for months as she was noted to be working on other projects while The Orville’s second season was still in production. The Orville also added Jessica Szohr as a new series regular in Season 2. Szohr's character, Talla, still hasn’t made her first appearance, but photos from The Orville’s set suggest that Talla is a Xelayan security officer, just like Alara. This has led to speculation the Szhor’s character is meant to replace Alara.

Alara was the chief security officer aboard the Orville. She is incredibly strong in Earth-normal gravity after growing up in the exponentially stronger gravitational pull of her home planet, Xelaya. The episode "Home" revealed that Xelayans who spend a long time away from their homeworld eventually adjust to Earth-normal gravity and lose their strength. For some Xelayans, this happens more quickly and more suddenly. Alara discovered she was one of those Xelayans when she broke her arm in an arm-wrestling match with Isaac.

Alara returned to Xelaya to reacclimate herself to its gravity. This meant spending time with her family. Her parents and sister are all scholars who never understood or appreciated Alara's calling to join the Planetary Union fleet, but after Alara saved the family from vengeful home invaders during the episode, she finally gained the respect of her father.

Dr. Finn devised a treatment that, while painful, would have allowed Alara to return to the Orville and still regain her strength. Alara decided not to go through with the treatment. Instead, she chose to return to Xelaya to reconnect with her family. She left a gift on Capt. Mercer’s desk, a large jar of pickles, which is a reference to several jokes between the two characters in the show's first season.
Another Xelayan security officer? Wasn't Alara's thing how rare it was for one of them to be in the Union Fleet? How is this not going to feel like a lame knockoff version of Alara? dang
 
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Another Xelayan security officer? Wasn't Alara's thing how rare it was for one of them to be in the Union Fleet? How is this not going to feel like a lame knockoff version of Alara? dang
She sucks, I hate her already. Bring back Halston Sage.
 
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This episode sucked.
Spoiler
 
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how are those the same
 
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I liked the episode. I think maybe if astrology is going to be the source of the problem though then maybe you should do more comedy with that premise. GIve them mood rings and have the doctors use new age medicine. Basically make it hippie planet.
 
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i liked it too

and jessica szohr is p hot
 
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Supposedly the studio forced the show to rein back the comedy, which is why the show has lost a lot of what made it great to begin with. I don***8217;t even chuckle anymore. The new security officer is terrible, she has none of the charm alara had. Halston Sages character was so gawddamned cute as a spunky insecure badass. And they separated lamarr and gordon, their interactions were priceless. They have made so many little changes that have just destroyed what made the show special. It just sucks now.
 
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If you're going to challenge social or existential issues then do it as a conflict encounter. It could be an anomaly or a world or something. It's worked pretty great for all the other episodes. When the episode is over, it's on to the next adventure. That's not the case with Bortus. The writers now have to keep working his ham-fisted home life into future episodes which is fine if it fits the comedic tone but little of it does.
The latest episode was pretty much this. I liked it. I don't mind the new security woman. Bortus was used exactly as he should be.
 
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One episode is way too premature to cast judgment on the new security chief. I loved Alara too but let it play out dudes. Why was she banging Seth anyway. Actually Scott Grimes is married to the female Riker too now. Why are they interchangeably ****ing
 
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Supposedly the studio forced the show to rein back the comedy, which is why the show has lost a lot of what made it great to begin with. I don’t even chuckle anymore. The new security officer is terrible, she has none of the charm alara had. Halston Sages character was so gawddamned cute as a spunky insecure badass. And they separated lamarr and gordon, their interactions were priceless. They have made so many little changes that have just destroyed what made the show special. It just sucks now.
we get it you are in love with halston sage
 
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