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If you are an Atheist why do you believe in right and wrong as some objective measurement? There is no right and wrong in your world view, only subjective views of what is right and wrong.
 
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****in morals







































































how do they work
 
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You have to believe in a higher power for there to be good or evil? Right or Wrong? I think you might want to think on that one a second. Or me one.
 
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Cause you don't need religion to know right/wrong or have morals there orbitroll.

Certainly enough cases to point at that show religion doesn't help others with those.
 
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So you're saying the only reason you are a "good" person is because if you weren't, you'd go to hell? You don't do it for the sake of your fellow man?
I think you need to rethink your life.
 
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if you need the fear of eternal damnation to make you not be an asshat, you might not be a pillar of morality either
 
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orbital I hope you go to hell
 
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You have to believe in a higher power for there to be good or evil? Right or Wrong? I think you might want to think on that one a second. Or me one.
As I said, there is no OBJECTIVE right and wrong without God. There is only SUBJECTIVE morality. Morality is a result of social interaction and evolution within human society. **** is not wrong if you are an Atheist, in fact, it is actually good in may ways with regards to spreading genetic diversity through the population.
 
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So you're saying the only reason you are a "good" person is because if you weren't, you'd go to hell? You don't do it for the sake of your fellow man?
I think you need to rethink your life.
You are missing the point!

What is good or evil without Objective morality?
 
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if you need the fear of eternal damnation to make you not be an asshat, you might not be a pillar of morality either
There is no objective definition of asshat, only subjective definitions.
 
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stuff that makes me happy without hurting others 2 ez
 
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I know what it's like to feel discomfort. I wish that feeling on no living thing capable of feeling it.
 
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stuff that makes me happy without hurting others 2 ez
Why though? Why is that right?
 
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Because I read it in a book. If the book says it is right, it has to be.
 
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I know what it's like to feel discomfort. I wish that feeling on no living thing capable of feeling it.
That doesn't define right and wrong, that is only your subjective view of what you think is right. I might have a completely different view, what makes you right and me wrong?
 
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So what you're saying, actually I have no idea where I'm going with this, but anyways what you're saying is, for there to be objective, there has to be a defining point, a beginning? Like for example, a higher power? Or from another perspective the human race suddenly decided hey, killing that person like me is bad, so we can't do that?



Edit: Or are you basically asking why people think certain things are good or bad? Which my answer is nurture.
 
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i base my morality on love of life and not fear of god

morality imposed by leverage is easily bargained away
 
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Because I read it in a book. If the book says it is right, it has to be.
Your sense of right and wrong, warped though it may be, comes from God. This is why, even if you do not believe in God, you have a sense of some underlying moral law, right and wrong.

Even Dawkins and Hawking talk about how people should be nicer to one another, but give no objective reason as to why this should be. There objectivity fly's out the window the minute you get to morality.

Why is **** wrong? It exists in nature among many animals. Infanticide occurs as well, why are these wrong? Just because they feel wrong does not make them wrong. You may feel God but that does not mean he exists. The same argument can be made for moral behavior. It is social in nature, and there is no real objective basis.
 
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That doesn't define right and wrong, that is only your subjective view of what you think is right. I might have a completely different view, what makes you right and me wrong?
Wrong is making another uncomfortable. Right is doing what I want without doing wrong. The Golden Rule is a great piece of stupidity. Apply the Golden Rule to a masochist and tell me what's going to happen. The silver rule is much better: Do not do unto others anything that you would dislike done to you.
 
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