[Mega] MAGA Super Trump Mega Thread

Ixiterra said:
You may as well just tell them they are free to go be illegal immigrants in the country in violation of the law with zero expectation of punishment.
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Well, yeah. It's a misdemeanor. These aren't violent felons.

Now you can prioritize, as Obama did, arresting violent criminals, drug smugglers, the people you actually want to keep out of this country.

Or you could jail everyone regardless of their situation, leading to a breakdown of social services that leads to government sanctioned child abuse.

These centers existed before Trump - that is true. A kid was supposed to be held there for a day or two until they could figure out housing with family or social services. They were not designed to process this many children at once. Now you have the government erecting tent cities in 100 degree heat holding anyone from infants to teenagers, for weeks if not months. Effectively turning a processing station into a prison for kids. That was not happening under Obama, Bush, anyone. This is new.

You better hope (for Trump's sake) that a kid doesn't die in these conditions. You thought the press was bad now? You ain't seen shit.
 
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However, as it turned out, the photograph was taken on 10 June 2018, but it did not show a child confined by immigration authorities to a cage. Rather, it was snapped during a protest staged in front of Dallas City Hall to call attention to the Trump administration’s practice of separating families and confining undocumented children. Different photographs of the event document that the same child was standing a mocked-up “cage” open at the top, and several commenters noted that the boy was crying not because he was confined, but because he saw his mother outside the pen and could not immediately figure out how to get to her.
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Oh our bad this was more fake news folks

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/toddler-cage-photo/
 
MadHatSam said:
Everything old is new again:
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Seriously there has to be a less cliche way to enforce strict border controls. It is almost like the Admin doesn't give a shit about creating permanent change and just wants to wield power while it has it.
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it is like demographics matter......we all realize that now

even democrats

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and amnesty ruined California

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and now they want to ruin the nation with the same tactic

sorry not sorry i care more about this than i do their kids who are still better off in a USA detention camp (forever) than in Mexico or their even more shithole sewer country beneath it
 
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Ixiterra said:
You may as well just tell them they are free to go be illegal immigrants in the country in violation of the law with zero expectation of punishment.

At that point, why bother even having a law? Why bother even having borders? Think of the children!
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Hmmm.......i think you just hit the real point and purpose to all this sudden outrage right on the head

why are we at war anywhere in the world when we don't even care about our own borders, laws, republic, or constitution?

a question for the ages right now
 
triple said:
Well, yeah. It's a misdemeanor. These aren't violent felons.
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If you commit a misdemeanor, you will be arrested. Now, as a US citizen with an ID and a job and a family and ties, you will likely show up to court to avoid having a warrant out for your arrest and additional contempt of court charges, so they will grant you a cheap bail with the bailsman knowing he can find you and even offers you a 90% discount on your bail. What a nice guy.

Now as an illegal immigrant with zero ties in the US, no paperwork at all or easily forged paperwork from a 3rd world country, a bailsman would be a fucking idiot to take your bail and a court would be fucking retarded to even offer you bail. You are charged with a crime. Go to jail.

Now you can prioritize, as Obama did, arresting violent criminals, drug smugglers, the people you actually want to keep out of this country.
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Because such information is in a nice easy database for immigration officials to look up, in addition to being able to prove Miguel is who he says he is since we also keep fingerprints on all 7.5 billion earthlings. In either case, you're starting off on the wrong foot by entering the country with a misdemeanor.

Or you could jail everyone regardless of their situation, leading to a breakdown of social services that leads to government sanctioned child abuse.
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Or illegal immigrants will stop crossing the border illegally because now they know it's not all sunshine and rainbows. Something tells me the word will start spreading when Miguel and Maria are thrown in jail instead of being let go on their word to show up for court, that maybe they will stop trying to cross.
 
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If you commit a misdemeanor, you will be arrested.
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That's not true. Google prosecutorial discretion. Sessions removed that ability with his zero tolerance policy.

This is what happens when you arrest everyone, no exceptions. Our system is not designed to arrest thousands and thousands of people and deal with their children.

And for what it's worth, isn't child abuse a felony? It's tough to get all high and mighty when you're imprisoning children, isn't it.
 
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triple said:
Well, yeah. It's a misdemeanor. These aren't violent felons.
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they aren't animals

MS-13 gang member known as 'Animal' sentenced to 40 years in prison over killing of 15-year-old boy

not even the ones who named themselves that

triple said:
These centers existed before Trump - that is true. A kid was supposed to be held there for a day or two until they could figure out housing with family or social services.
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And that is still the policy. From what I understand, correct me where I am wrong, but these kids you see being held longer than this are in question/doubt about who their actual parents are. The only difference in policy is Obama gave people passing the benefit of the doubt that they were the parent, they were the legal guardian, despite no documentation or proof of that.

Trump's zero tolerance policy does not.

triple said:
They were not designed to process this many children at once. Now you have the government erecting tent cities in 100 degree heat holding anyone from infants to teenagers, for weeks if not months. Effectively turning a processing station into a prison for kids. That was not happening under Obama, Bush, anyone. This is new.
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same can be said for homeless camps, tent cities, shanty towns, the global refugee issues to the size of the migrant crises and caravans now trying to get into our country.

we should probably set immigration policy over the rest of the world coming here........not vice a versa.....

triple said:
You better hope (for Trump's sake) that a kid doesn't die in these conditions. You thought the press was bad now? You ain't seen shit.
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dang......that would be as tragic as the hundreds of kids obama droned or the bush family killed looking for wmd nobody could ever point to irl.

but i can imagine the selective media outrage and hysteria

just like at parkland hs but never Chicago on any given weekend

in NJ this weekend gunned down at an alleged ART FESTIVAL
 
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You're retarded. "Zero tolerance" lol. AKA enforcing the actual law. Just because Obama decided to pick and choose when and where he enforced the law doesn't mean similar things weren't happening constantly under his reign. These laws were passed by both Republicans and Democrats alike, these camps have existed for decades, and the law is the law. If you don't want to be separated from your children, don't send them alone from Mexico and don't cross the border as a family illegally. When you are caught, the adults go to jail to await their deportations. Would you have the children join them or just be dropped on the other side of the border? Would you have the rule of law not apply to them? How do you choose who has to abide the law and who doesn't?

Under Age and Alone 2009
US immigrant detentions violate human rights 2009
4 Million illegal immigrant children are native born 2009
Deportations leave behind thousands in foster care 2011
Deporting Parents hurts kids 2012
US immigration policy splits families when parents are deported 2012
Immigration, Deportation, and Family Separation 2014
What happens when deportation separates parents from their kids 2014
Orphaned by Deportation 2014
New Detention Facility Opened for Immigrant Families with Kids 2014
New Photos Depict Horrific Conditions at Border Detention Center 2014
Media gets first look at children inside Nogales detention facility 2014
Inside a detention center for migrant children 2014
Border detention of children shames America 2014
Obama delays action on children 2014
The Shame of America's Family Detention Camps 2015
Judge orders release of immigrant children detained by the US 2015
Pennsylvania warns family immigrant detention center: change your policy or lose your license 2015
Mexican kids held for months as punishment for border crossing 2015
US Violates Agreement in the Detention of Immigrant Children 2015
Obama's immigration detention policies hurt mothers, children 2015
Children send christmas wishes to kids in immigration detention 2015

It's almost like when people violate the law, there are consequences that are unfortunately applied to the children of those responsible for violating the law. The only difference is when you choose to be outraged by it. You don't give two shits about immigrant children.
 
triple said:
That's not true. Google prosecutorial discretion. Sessions removed that ability with his zero tolerance policy.

This is what happens when you arrest everyone, no exceptions. Our system is not designed to arrest thousands and thousands of people and deal with their children.

And for what it's worth, isn't child abuse a felony? It's tough to get all high and mighty when you're imprisoning children, isn't it.
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i love how prosecutorial discretion is up to the AG......but not when Trump appoints that AG

and I also love how the child abuse is putting them in a detention center, nicer than their homes, nicer than where they came from, and not what their parents put them through to get here (illegally)

and that is why we can't have nice things

or even a nice country for that much longer so long as triples exist
 
Fool said:
You're retarded. "Zero tolerance" lol. AKA enforcing the actual law. Just because Obama decided to pick and choose when and where he enforced the law doesn't mean similar things weren't happening constantly under his reign. These laws were passed by both Republicans and Democrats alike, these camps have existed for decades, and the law is the law. If you don't want to be separated from your children, don't send them alone from Mexico and don't cross the border as a family illegally. When you are caught, the adults go to jail to await their deportations. Would you have the children join them or just be dropped on the other side of the border? Would you have the rule of law not apply to them? How do you choose who has to abide the law and who doesn't?

Under Age and Alone 2009
US immigrant detentions violate human rights 2009
4 Million illegal immigrant children are native born 2009
Deportations leave behind thousands in foster care 2011
Deporting Parents hurts kids 2012
US immigration policy splits families when parents are deported 2012
Immigration, Deportation, and Family Separation 2014
What happens when deportation separates parents from their kids 2014
Orphaned by Deportation 2014
New Detention Facility Opened for Immigrant Families with Kids 2014
New Photos Depict Horrific Conditions at Border Detention Center 2014
Media gets first look at children inside Nogales detention facility 2014
Inside a detention center for migrant children 2014
Border detention of children shames America 2014
Obama delays action on children 2014
The Shame of America's Family Detention Camps 2015
Judge orders release of immigrant children detained by the US 2015
Pennsylvania warns family immigrant detention center: change your policy or lose your license 2015
Mexican kids held for months as punishment for border crossing 2015
US Violates Agreement in the Detention of Immigrant Children 2015
Obama's immigration detention policies hurt mothers, children 2015
Children send christmas wishes to kids in immigration detention 2015

It's almost like when people violate the law, there are consequences that are unfortunately applied to the children of those responsible for violating the law. The only difference is when you choose to be outraged by it. You don't give two shits about immigrant children.
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fukin rekt

triple:

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triple said:
That's not true. Google prosecutorial discretion. Sessions removed that ability with his zero tolerance policy.
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Prosecutors do not arrest people. Law enforcement officers do. If a law enforcement officer witnesses you committing a crime, you will, with exceedingly high probability, be arrested. Whether or not you are convicted may be at the discretion of the prosecutor. In the mean time, you must post bail or stay in jail.

How can you be so obtuse?

And for what it's worth, isn't child abuse a felony? It's tough to get all high and mighty when you're imprisoning children, isn't it.
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The children are being detained if they have no family members that the US can get ahold of. It would be abuse to release children to fend for themselves while their parents are rightfully in jail for committing crimes. But wahh my liberal fucking tears. Give it up and argue for open borders so at least you're an honest shitbag.
 
Let's also ignore facts like if the illegal alien parents plead guilty and agree to go home, they are reunited with their children within hours. Or that the US can't hold a child for longer than 20 days, so anyone claiming asylum with no family in the US is literally putting their children into the hands of system until their claims are resolved. It's almost like everyone just claims asylum and there are more bodies than places to put them.
 
Fool said:
You're retarded. "Zero tolerance" lol. AKA enforcing the actual law.
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The justice department literally calls it a "zero tolerance" policy.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-announces-zero-tolerance-policy-criminal-illegal-entry

Just because Obama decided to pick and choose when and where he enforced the law doesn't mean similar things weren't happening constantly under his reign.
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Not having zero tolerance in place means you can leave discretion to the actual officers on the ground. If you see a young mother and her toddler fleeing a domestic violence situation, you don't have to throw the mother in jail and send the baby halfway across the country to live in a facility. Zero tolerance (aka "enforcing the actual law!") means you have to make bad decisions with no room for common sense.

These laws were passed by both Republicans and Democrats alike, these camps have existed for decades, and the law is the law.
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The facilities are processing facilities. Kids are not supposed to be in them for longer than 72 hours. They are places kids go while authorities figure out what to do with them.

Now they are prisons. Because you can't figure out where thousands of kids can go in 72 hours. It is impossible. Please get this through your head.

If you don't want to be separated from your children, don't send them alone from Mexico and don't cross the border as a family illegally.
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And the mask slips. This isn't "the law". It's punitive and cruel. It's using children as hostages as an (ineffective) deterrent against illegal immigration.

When you are caught, the adults go to jail to await their deportations. Would you have the children join them or just be dropped on the other side of the border? Would you have the rule of law not apply to them? How do you choose who has to abide the law and who doesn't?
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I would deport them as a family unit or give them a summons. Locking up children for months is not an option. It's not all or nothing. This is a false choice.

It's almost like when people violate the law, there are consequences that are unfortunately applied to the children of those responsible for violating the law.
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This doesn't apply to any other law. People who get arrested don't lose their kids on a regular basis. And in the cases where there is no other option than social services, we don't send those kids (who are innocent of any crime) to kid-jail.

The only difference is when you choose to be outraged by it. You don't give two shits about immigrant children.
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If you're not outraged by this something is fucking wrong with you.
 
I also should point out that Fool is so concerned with due process in terms of Manafort, Cohen, and Trump, but if you want to throw an innocent child in jail, he doesn't really give a shit. Tells you a lot about who he is as a person.
 
triple said:
The justice department literally calls it a "zero tolerance" policy.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-announces-zero-tolerance-policy-criminal-illegal-entry



Not having zero tolerance in place means you can leave discretion to the actual officers on the ground. If you see a young mother and her toddler fleeing a domestic violence situation, you don't have to throw the mother in jail and send the baby halfway across the country to live in a facility. Zero tolerance (aka "enforcing the actual law!") means you have to make bad decisions with no room for common sense.



The facilities are processing facilities. Kids are not supposed to be in them for longer than 72 hours. They are places kids go while authorities figure out what to do with them.

Now they are prisons. Because you can't figure out where thousands of kids can go in 72 hours. It is impossible. Please get this through your head.



And the mask slips. This isn't "the law". It's punitive and cruel. It's using children as hostages as an (ineffective) deterrent against illegal immigration.



I would deport them as a family unit or give them a summons. Locking up children for months is not an option. It's not all or nothing. This is a false choice.



This doesn't apply to any other law. People who get arrested don't lose their kids on a regular basis. And in the cases where there is no other option than social services, we don't send those kids (who are innocent of any crime) to kid-jail.



If you're not outraged by this something is fucking wrong with you.
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No, you don't get it. The law is the law. Zero tolerance literally means "we will apply the law as written". This should not be a surprise, and it's their fucking job you rube.

You're absolutely right, the numbers are overwhelming. They always have been. This is not a new situation like you're implying, it's been going on for years. You ignored it entirely because you did not give two shits about brown children until Trump got elected. You did not care about the ones who were caught because they wouldn't do their jobs to enforce the law, so maybe not as many wound up in your pseudojails. You sympathize more with people claiming asylum, as if they're all entitled to it. You've ignored the problem, rationalized the government not doing it's job by enforcing the law, and are now OUTRAGED by it when you weren't literally two years ago.

The only solution you're offering is "We shouldn't enforce the law as much", which is not a true solution and is entirely disingenuous at it's core. Frankly if Trump walked it back, you'd no doubt claim he's now weak on immigration. You're nothing but a peddler of dishonest, emotional rhetoric, and a liar.
 
triple said:
I also should point out that Fool is so concerned with due process in terms of Manafort, Cohen, and Trump, but if you want to throw an innocent child in jail, he doesn't really give a shit. Tells you a lot about who he is as a person.
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Are you suggesting we deport children straight back to Mexico or release them into the US without supervision or a guardian?
 
Get off your fucking high horse fool, who do you think you're kidding? Even republicans are horrified and are begging the white house to stop this practice. Ted Cruz wrote a bill today to stop this. Ted fucking Cruz!

The only people who are for this are inbred racists like yourself who don't see brown people as human beings.
 
Fool said:
How about you explain this one numbnuts? How is crossing the border into another country without authorization legal?
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Separating families is not the law. Crossing the border is a misdemeanor. This is like taking someone's kids for blowing an 0.09.

How do you justify doing lasting trauma to innocent children? It's the law to commit child abuse now?
 
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