Originally Posted by SweetbabyJ

Yea right...do you really believe that?


No matter what they do, Israel will never have support from the rest of the world aside from the few countries that already support them.

They really only need one country to support them, the one with the most powerful army in the world. I am not even going to give you any more hints.

Originally Posted by TachikomaPilot

Is this the same ship that JoMo just posted about?

Yes. They were asked to go to the Israeli port city of Ashood where their aid would be offloaded and inspected then sent across to Gaza. They refused, tried to run from the Israeli ships, and were boarded, then the IDF commandos were attacked, and opened fire on the attackers.

Originally Posted by JoMo

Yes. They were asked to go to the Israeli port city of Ashood where their aid would be offloaded and inspected then sent across to Gaza. They refused, tried to run from the Israeli ships, and were boarded, then the IDF commandos were attacked, and opened fire on the attackers.

Watch the video, the aid workers were fired upon long before any boarding attempts were made. They then "attacked" (defended themselves) with chairs and sticks and even more civilians were murdered.

Originally Posted by Gow

Watch the video, the aid workers were fired upon long before any boarding attempts were made. They then "attacked" (defended themselves) with chairs and sticks and even more civilians were murdered.

I watched the video. I don't think you know what you are watching.

They said they were in international waters, so it must be true. What would a boat full of ninjas be doing anywhere near Israel?

Originally Posted by JoMo

Yes. They were asked to go to the Israeli port city of Ashood where their aid would be offloaded and inspected then sent across to Gaza. They refused, tried to run from the Israeli ships, and were boarded, then the IDF commandos were attacked, and opened fire on the attackers.

That video tells different. Did you watch it?

Video's cliffs:
-IDF started shooting before ship was boarded.
-Ship was shot at in International waters.

Originally Posted by TachikomaPilot

That video tells different. Did you watch it?

Video's cliffs:
-IDF started shooting before ship was boarded.
-Ship was shot at in International waters.

You don't know what you are watching either.

It's possible they were in international waters, that will come out later today though.

So is anyone actually defending Israel on the convoy attack?

Originally Posted by GreasyBoy

They said they were in international waters, so it must be true. What would a boat full of ninjas be doing anywhere near Israel?

The aid workers are the ones in the bright orange life vests. Some are wearing what appear to be gas masks which is probably due to tear gas getting lobbed onto the ship.

The ninja looking people would be the IDF soldiers who boarded the boat and murdered a bunch of civvies.

Originally Posted by Gow

The aid workers are the ones in the bright orange life vests. Some are wearing what appear to be gas masks which is probably due to tear gas getting lobbed onto the ship.

The ninja looking people would be the IDF soldiers who boarded the boat and murdered a bunch of civvies.

So they didn't just mow civilians down, they used tear gas? Using tear gas implies that they tried to stop the situation from escalating making the Israeli version of the story have more weight.

Originally Posted by GreasyBoy

Uh...so the guys wearing the black ninja masks are aid workers?

No, they are IDF. Similar guys were boarding the ship on the video.

Just ignore Jomo, he's heard it all before and won't listen.
- "You can't reason with a racist."

I found some Israeli comments about this affair quite interesting and typical:

Mark Regev (Netanyahu's spokesman) dubbed the flotilla carrying parliamentarians, human rights workers and prominent figures as “violent propaganda” against Israel, adding that there was no humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

Malnourished, but not starving.

“It was like a well-planned lynch,” one IDF officer said. “These people were anything but peace activists.”

IDF: Soldiers were met by well-planned lynch in Gaza waters

'Activists chant slogans that threaten Jews'

Flotilla delayed by glitches again

Our adversaries have cntrl-alt-deleted us.

#FreeHasbara

"provocation intended to delegitimise Israel".

BBC News - Gaza aid flotilla 'leaves Cyprus'

Netanyahu’s spokesman Mark Regev said, “These people call themselves human rights activist, but they are the opposite. ... a regime that has brutally suppressed all political opposition, (Hamas defeated a CIA sponsored coup attempt) ...
and has even made it illegal for a male hairdresser to cut the hair of a woman.”

Fate of Gaza flotilla remains vague

“I think that the key thing is that this is not some fair-minded mission coming in that cares for peace. Their flotilla is driven by hate, rather than peace."

Counter-flotilla plans demonstration


Arab MK member who participated in the flotilla to be arrested upon entering Israel:
Israel Prepares to Detain, Deport Gaza Flotilla Activists - Defense/Middle East - Israel News - Israel National News


So the Israeli media is flipping out, dire warnings, existential threat (again) and most importantly they are spinning this event as a huge world hate-on them. Pretty typical stuff. No wonder Israeli's are paranoid. It's too bad they always see themselves as being the victim.

****ing pieces of **** is what they are.

DAYS before this took place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yphfyN0dqi8

This is probably my favourite Israel response thus far:

BBC News - Israel: Gaza ship is 'outrageous provocation'

Israel's deputy foreign minister called the Turkish-led flotilla an "armada of hate and violence in support of Hamas".

:r ofl::rof l:

Originally Posted by JoMo

DAYS before this took place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yphfyN0dqi8

Although the Israeli press refers to the waters off Gaza as “Israeli territorial waters,” in fact Israel has no legal claim to the Gaza coast. It is the Occupying power in Gaza since 1967, but is in severe contravention of the 1949 Geneva Convention on the treatment of occupied populations.

Originally Posted by arsin

Just ignore Jomo, he's heard it all before and won't listen.
- "You can't reason with a racist."

I found some Israeli comments about this affair quite interesting and typical:

Malnourished, but not starving.

IDF: Soldiers were met by well-planned lynch in Gaza waters

Flotilla delayed by glitches again


#FreeHasbara


BBC News - Gaza aid flotilla 'leaves Cyprus'

Fate of Gaza flotilla remains vague

Counter-flotilla plans demonstration


Arab MK member who participated in the flotilla to be arrested upon entering Israel:
Israel Prepares to Detain, Deport Gaza Flotilla Activists - Defense/Middle East - Israel News - Israel National News


So the Israeli media is flipping out, dire warnings, existential threat (again) and most importantly they are spinning this event as a huge world hate-on them. Pretty typical stuff. No wonder Israeli's are paranoid. It's too bad they always see themselves as being the victim.

You seem to be really on top of things. Thanx for the info.

Originally Posted by JoMo

DAYS before this took place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yphfyN0dqi8

Nope. This is not a piece of propaganda at all. Not one bit. The IDF Vice Admiral always tells the IDF that they are the IDF and that the IDF behaves according to IDF rules professionally. The IDF soldiers need to hear that they are IDF or they might forget.

Your welcome, I get emailed the links I posted those since they show a little of how the media manipulates Israeli's by feeding their prejudices.

This forum has really changed. 7-8 years ago everyone would be ****ting on the "filthy" Arabs.
I think the Internet has had a HUGE impact on informing people about distant events.


Holly **** Gow. GW with the video too!

(Cheap vid cameras + Internet) > (Hasbara + Jewmedia)

Most of you thoughts/lies about who was the aggressor in the various wars can be addressed here by reading actual quotes from the Israeli leadership. Scroll to the bottom to the Jeremy R. Hammond post. Again, these are actual documented quotes by various Israeli leaders, and constitute a very high degree of proof, proving the Israeli motivation for starting the 1947 and 1967 wars. I think Jomo would have to re-evaluate his beliefs about these wars.

Sure the IDF loves it's precision munitions, but they love the indiscriminate "kill everything that moves" type of bomb too.
IDF commander: We fired more than a million cluster bombs in Lebanon.

Originally Posted by Goshin

why cant they have one big state and have different religions occupied under that border?

History explains why. sense pre-classic times it worked that way. Their culture didnt change much sense then.

but war is not the solution. a social revolution must be taken from the inside of that zone.

I think the main problem occured when they decided to mix politics with religion in such extreme way.
If jesus and maomé didnt exist, the world would be more peaceful.

I mean, we could live normaly but with Indigenous religions, like european Celtic and other Nordic religions. Some of the old rome.. why not?