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Going to jail for deleting work email? Seems like an airtight case here. You cracked it!
I didn't crack anything. Nor am I privvy to the evidence.

I do believe storing top secret gov data and communication on a private server is not legal. Deleting said data is also not legal.

Even Comey said that what happened was extremely careless. Why he stopped short of recommending charges is up for debate.
 
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The investigation has been opened, closed, re-opened, and re-closed. Being careless does not equal worth being locked up over. Worst case, she would get a fine and have her clearance revoked which has probably already happened since she doesn't have any type of office that requires a clearance.

Funny thing is that you guys don't want the IT guy who acquired the equipment, registered her domain, and set up her email server locked up. Why is that?
 
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weren't they given immunity?
 
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Only one of the IT guys was given limited immunity which didn't extend to his testimony to Congress and/or his testimony given to the FBI. He was then held in contempt of Congress shortly after this for failing to testify/comply in the investigation.

Nobody wants him locked up though.
 
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Only one of the IT guys was given limited immunity which didn't extend to his testimony to Congress and/or his testimony given to the FBI. He was then held in contempt of Congress shortly after this for failing to testify/comply in the investigation.

Nobody wants him locked up though.
When we can't get the main people convicted, why should we care about the little fish? If he was sent to jail, he would just be falling on his sword for Hillary.

Yes let's jail the guy that just was doing what he was hired to do instead of the people ultimately responsible. ****, Watergate forced a sitting president to resign for less.
 
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The investigation has been opened, closed, re-opened, and re-closed. Being careless does not equal worth being locked up over. Worst case, she would get a fine and have her clearance revoked which has probably already happened since she doesn't have any type of office that requires a clearance.

Funny thing is that you guys don't want the IT guy who acquired the equipment, registered her domain, and set up her email server locked up. Why is that?
When 'being careless' means classified documents not only outside the government's network, but on non-government employee computers with slim to no security...yeah..its worth being locked up over
 
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For how long?
 
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Being careless does not equal worth being locked up over.
18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

(a) Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.


I mean that's a minor one, but it's not the only one. There's no stipulation about carelessness. You could argue that the Secretary of State, 4th in line in chain of command of the United States of America, was completely unaware that classified information might cross her personal email server in the course of her duties. lol. Or I guess you could argue that the statute says "his" so it doesn't apply to her.
 
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For how long?
I don't know what the length of time would be on something like that. Would depend on the type of info. Give her a 6 month smack on the head, 1 year probation, gotta wear an ankle bracelet
 
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Well... what's the point of a witch hunt if we don't get to burn the witch?!

 
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This is irrelevant because her emails contained no classified information at the time and only after the investigation were some deemed to be fit to be retroactively classified.

There's actually very little proof that she should be locked up for anything. She did not show any intent to purposely mishandle classified information and further more decisions based around "top secret" information gets handled more securely rather than through email (of any sort). You can't show that she intended to mishandle sensitive information.

The only thing you can prove is that she knew Colin Powell used a private email server before her and she wanted emails on her Blackberry for convenience.

No jail time nor fine necessary.
 
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Is intent necessary? I thought mishandling classified information was criminal in itself. The secstate of all people should know better.
 
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mishandling of classified intel is only part of it. she destroyed subpoenaed evidence. a LOT of it. not only digital but physical...which to me is on the same level as perjury, and thats what got her husband in deep chit
 
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She did not show any intent to purposely mishandle classified information and further more decisions based around "top secret" information gets handled more securely rather than through email (of any sort). You can't show that she intended to mishandle sensitive information.
maybe not, but you CAN show that she intended to obstruct justice by breaking all blackberries and some hard drives with hammers, deleting 33,000 emails with bleach bit, and having her IT lackey take to reddit to find out how to remove a "very vip" person's email address from email headers. All of this AFTER she was served a subpoena.

 
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we're definitely gonna get her, this time for real

seth rich is gonna be avenged
 
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we're definitely gonna get her, this time for real

seth rich is gonna be avenged

Their reeee is in full force today
 
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just as I thought. more troll nonsense and avoiding.
 
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Their reeee is in full force today
backpedal backpedaaalllll
 
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u guys can't even lock up anthony weiner for the same crime how are we supposed to take u guys srsly
 
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just as I thought. more troll nonsense and avoiding.

I've been here for a while responding. You're late to the party, bro. MAGA
 
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