Las Vegas/Mandalay Bay mass shooting

Fool said:
Exactly. It's a felony. Felonies everywhere surrounding these items. Even if you outlawed selling those kits, as you say they're incredibly easy. People would still do it, but they're also breaking the law and face jail time if they are caught. I've yet to see a reasonable solution presented between felony and total removal of all semi-automatic rifles, which as has been proven time and time again, would do almost nothing to alleviate gun related deaths in America. Rifles account for 2% of fatalities. It's really just another issue of sensationalism trumping rational thought.
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Again, I'm a gun enthusiast.

But step outside your echo chamber for a second.

Say assault rifles were outlawed. Say Joe Blow mass shooter had to make his way to some shady as fuck underground arms dealer to get the tool itself, not the modification, instead of being able to scoop ARs up at will anywhere in the states? Might that have changed things?

Do you think everyday old white guy would venture into the depths of a black market to attain his tools? Would he even know where to go? Maybe. Maybe not.

It certainly wouldn't be as easy as heading down to the corner store and scoping it up.

I own 2 ARs and a pre-ban AK. It still befuddles me how easy they were for me to buy. Shocking, really.
 
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More information..... I was right about the snipers nest, and it appears the guns were modified. Death count up to 59.

Las Vegas shooting: At least 59 dead in rampage near Mandalay Bay Casino

At least 16 weapons, many of them rifles, were found inside Paddock’s hotel room, a federal law enforcement official said Monday in a new accounting of firepower that the gunman had amassed prior to the attack.

The official, who has been briefed on the matter but is not authorized to comment publicly, said that police also found two tri-pods positioned at the hotel windows in what appeared to be a fully-equipped sniper’s nest to take better aim at the crowd below.

Hundreds of rounds of ammunition were among the suspect’s possessions, a cache that could have sustained him in a much longer assault, the official said.

The Associated Press also reported that two of the weapons were modified to make them fully automatic, according to two U.S. officials briefed by law enforcement who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is still unfolding.

Authorities believe that the gunman, who had no serious criminal background, purchased many of the weapons legally. Though investigators were attempting determine whether he illegally converted some to operate as fully automatic weapons, the official said.
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Lombardo said authorities also searched Paddock's home and found even more weapons — 18 firearms, explosives, and unidentified electronic devices, as well as thousands of rounds of ammunition.
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nigafool said:
firearm homicides per 100,000

usa 3.6
canada 0.38
australia 0.16
UK 0.06

shrug
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You left off Mexico for some reason. With much stricter laws, their rate is 7.6.

They're also known to smuggle illegal things over here from time to time.
 
Sometimes I think people subconsciously go after the easy topics like guns and politics than realizing that it is impossible to prevent someone from wanting to kill others.

You can't stop atrocities from happening unless we can all read each others thoughts.
 
this guy was a confirmed democrat right

i said in november if we don't put them all in prison right now when we have the chance it'll be us on the slab
 
phaytal said:
Again, I'm a gun enthusiast.

But step outside your echo chamber for a second.

Say assault rifles were outlawed. Say Joe Blow mass shooter had to make his way to some shady as fuck underground arms dealer to get the tool itself, not the modification, instead of being able to scoop ARs up at will anywhere in the states? Might that have changed things?

Do you think everyday old white guy would venture into the depths of a black market to attain his tools? Would he even know where to go? Maybe. Maybe not.

It certainly wouldn't be as easy as heading down to the corner store and scoping it up.

I own 2 ARs and a pre-ban AK. It still befuddles me how easy they were for me to buy. Shocking, really.
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Perhaps, perhaps not. I am not comfortable with the idea of making laws based on hypothetical and anecdotal scenarios. I do, however, believe that people with murderous intent will tend to take the easiest path to reach their goals. If this man was unable to obtain the firearms he desired, he could just as easily rent a truck, get it to speed, and crash down the Vegas strip during the evening rush. Hitting a single intersection would result in similar death counts. No amount of legislation will remove that desire from every human in the country.

I have yet to see any proof presented by anyone on this subject that the removal of guns, not just some but all, would even remotely lower the amount of mass killings that occur. As far as I am aware, there has not been a published study on the prevalence of murders when a method of killing is unavailable. If you can't reasonable assure me that the number of deaths will not only drop, but also be statistically significant, then I am not comfortable with constitutionally protected rights being stripped away.
 
Fool said:
Perhaps, perhaps not. I am not comfortable with the idea of making laws based on hypothetical and anecdotal scenarios. I do, however, believe that people with murderous intent will tend to take the easiest path to reach their goals. If this man was unable to obtain the firearms he desired, he could just as easily rent a truck, get it to speed, and crash down the Vegas strip during the evening rush. Hitting a single intersection would result in similar death counts. No amount of legislation will remove that desire from every human in the country.

I have yet to see any proof presented by anyone on this subject that the removal of guns, not just some but all, would even remotely lower the amount of mass killings that occur. As far as I am aware, there has not been a published study on the prevalence of murders when a method of killing is unavailable. If you can't reasonable assure me that the number of deaths will not only drop, but also be statistically significant, then I am not comfortable with constitutionally protected rights being stripped away.
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Gun Law Reforms and Firearm Deaths in Australia | Firearms | JAMA | The JAMA Network

don't worry tho i know ur not really looking for an answer
 
Fool said:
I'm aware of this, but it doesn't really address my point. There have been many mass killings in Australia since the weapons ban, they simply weren't all carried out by semiautomatic weapons.
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if only there was a section on non-firearm homicides that addresses the substitution theory :rolleyes:
 
Less guns didn't take all of their gun crime away,mass deportation of dark skinned people must have done it I guess
 
cael said:
if only there was a section on non-firearm homicides that addresses the substitution theory :rolleyes:
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And yet the study could not conclude causality. The decline of homicides could, in theory, be attributed to improved trauma response keeping people alive. Do you perhaps have a psychological study you could cite that explores whether a person with homicidal tendencies is less likely to murder someone if they cannot obtain a gun?
 
cael said:
Gun Law Reforms and Firearm Deaths in Australia | Firearms | JAMA | The JAMA Network

don't worry tho i know ur not really looking for an answer
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"There was a more rapid decline in firearm deaths between 1997 and 2013 compared with before 1997 but also a decline in total nonfirearm suicide and homicide deaths of a greater magnitude. Because of this, it is not possible to determine whether the change in firearm deaths can be attributed to the gun law reforms."

Love using someone's own link against them.

Oh, and "death" != "murder"
 
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