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Stability is tied to the CG & mean aerodynamic center of the aircraft. Shortening the wing may have moved the MAC closer to the CG reducing longitudinal stability but it'd also make the aircraft less maneuverable in turns. I think that it was mainly done to reduce drag & weight.
 
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He jumped out when no one was looking. He's now a fugitive. On the run.
****ing D.B. Cooper strikes again.
 
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60 year old aircraft.

80 year old pilot.

Almost a century and a half of disaster waiting to happen.
 
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I have had a runaway trim tab, in fact the airplane I fly its relatively common. It happened to my chief pilot a few months ago on takeoff, both he and the airplane survived.
I've had an airplane so far out of balance too, that on T/O she took about 200lbs forward pressure on the control column not to nose up and stall. The airplane was loaded too far aft without me knowing, and I ran out of elevator trim trying to correct it.
I already posted this accident would kill anyone that low to the ground, but I think you would have a chance when airborne at 10000ft or so. I also know those planes are heavily modified or built from the ground up, but at the same time those planes are built by engineers who aren't going to design an airplane where a simple trim failure will cause complete and immediate loss of control. They are retards, give the designers some credit where its due.
If that elevator had jammed or something in addition to the trim tab failure, that would not be recoverable under any circumstance.
I'm with Eggi, I don't know enough, but from my seat that trim tab alone was probably not the only thing that went wrong. Why did it fail in the first place??
 
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Stability is tied to the CG & mean aerodynamic center of the aircraft. Shortening the wing may have moved the MAC closer to the CG reducing longitudinal stability but it'd also make the aircraft less maneuverable in turns. I think that it was mainly done to reduce drag & weight.
The smaller the wing the faster she rolls.
Also, more lift is more drag.
If I was to build a pure racing airplane from one that was built to take off and land on grass strips 3000ft long, I would probably clip her wings too. She doesn't need all that low speed manoeuvrability for a racing plane.
Just what I would do, I'm not the builder though. Just a bus driver.
 
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Dunno if this has been posted yet.
Closest recording of the crash.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U0f8htjxDM
 
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I love how retards are calling for a ban on air shows because of this.

What surprises me in all the videos is the complete lack of fire. It's just a few seconds of dust and debris, and then it's over. The plane just disintegrates. Where did all the fuel go?
 
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^ Holy chit...that's crazy.
 
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I love how retards are calling for a ban on air shows because of this.

What surprises me in all the videos is the complete lack of fire. It's just a few seconds of dust and debris, and then it's over. The plane just disintegrates. Where did all the fuel go?
They carry the absolute least amount of fuel they can to reduce weight/increase speed
 
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I love how retards are calling for a ban on air shows because of this.

What surprises me in all the videos is the complete lack of fire. It's just a few seconds of dust and debris, and then it's over. The plane just disintegrates. Where did all the fuel go?
there was none, these things fly with the bare minimum. They're only airborne briefly so they dont carry much.
 
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OK, but that has to still be a substantial amount of fuel for a P51 in an air race. It's not a SkyPrius... and they are racing after all.

Just saying. It's weird/surprising.
 
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OK, but that has to still be a substantial amount of fuel for a P51 in an air race. It's not a SkyPrius... and they are racing after all.

Just saying. It's weird/surprising.
The more videos I watch, the more I don't think it was a plane at all. I think the plane was a projection and it was really a missile.

You have to look at who profited from this.
 
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I knew somebody would go there.
 
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ya, there is next to nothing on board, and the race gas they would be using is so volatile it would combust instantly, or vaporize.
 
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The smaller the wing the faster she rolls.
yeah, maybe that played a minor role in the crash, i dont know.

Whenever I think of short stubby wings I think of the F-104

that thing was basically a manned missile
 
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yeah, maybe that played a minor role in the crash, i dont know.

Whenever I think of short stubby wings I think of the F-104

that thing was basically a manned missile
best looking plane ever
 
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disagree



best looking plane ever
 
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Strega
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X-15 - The fastest of the fast

 
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I don't know enough, but from my seat that trim tab alone was probably not the only thing that went wrong. Why did it fail in the first place??
I feel differently about this. I believe that at trim tab that had a hinge break that was still connected, caused every bit of this wreck. Who knows if we'll ever know the whole story on this one once the NTSB is done. I don't really think there is anything else to blame it on. Like I said, just my opinion and is by no means fact.
 
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