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21 - 02-18-2019, 06:41
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One issue I do have with immigrants (from the 3rd world) is that often their credentials and university qualifications are fake or dubious at best.

When applying for jobs it is hard to compete against all these MBA's and doctors, especially when the culling is done by HR (usually young women) who have no ****ing clue whatsoever about actual skills or experience. And who especially like to hire ppl from the subcontinent because a. it helps their diversity quota and b. they know they can get them for much cheaper that someone who can actually do the job

these companies deserve what they get
 
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Well there are 2 forms of the "morons" who blame immigrants for taking their job:

1. are the people getting sacked by the H1B visa invasion but that is more towards the technical sector so not quite so talent-less and was quite legit.

2. Are the morons you speak of. To semi quote a comedian I heard recently, " If a person who doesn't really speak English and has no skills can come over and take your job, you are a dumb mother ****er and do not deserve to have that job"
i agree that your #1 is not the group to whom i was referring, but surely as a proponent of free markets you would advocate for the right of people who possess equal technical qualifications to compete by accepting lower grades of pay, thereby making our economy more efficient and benefiting the american consumer.

at my old company, we sponsored immigrants all of the time and paid them less than the average wages for equivalent positions, which allowed for a higher level of service and allowed for a legal pathway to citizenship for highly qualified individuals. once they got to the green card stage, the government would benchmark their salaries and we would inevitably be forced to give them a raise. i hope you are not advocating for these socialist practices.
 
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The SJW originated in the mid 80's with the rise of dual income households, which forced many children into cramped day care facilities where the children were required to compete with each other for the attention of single, childless women, who teach them that masculinity is shameful and toxic. As those same children entered their teenage years in the 90s, parents began catering to their children's incessant demands. It was a time of economic prosperity, and rather than teach their children any form of discipline or self-reliance, they provided them with every luxury available in order to satiate their tantrums.

Enter the 2000s, and the real boom of the internet. No longer just for nerds, social media platforms emerged and created a new space where the still attention starved brats could receive it in droves. It was not enough to have a few close friends, one's self worth was measured entirely by the number of friend counts on various platforms. Children learned that sharing empty platitudinous remarks would earn them more shares, more likes, more friends. It was no longer enough to lead a moral and virtuous life, one must now demonstrate that virtue to others. Dyed hair, visible tattoos and piercings, and eye-catching fashion choices became cultural norms to express individualism collectively. The act of not expressing virtue gradually becomes reprehensible. Facts and logic become meaningless in the pursuit of self-worth and value.

Finally we reach today, where decades of pointless, undeserved accolades have created a multi-generational group of ****ty writers, actors, and singers who were never really criticized for anything. They stare around the room, either still in their parents house or in a ****ty 3BR apartment they share with 8 people, and wonder where things went wrong. They got the 4 year college degree in Art History after 9 hard years of study, but they can't find work to pay off the $300,000 private school loans they took. Gone is the free cable, the free internet, the free housing, the free car, the free food, and they regress to the same tantrums they threw in day care. This is not fair. This is someone else's fault. I want what I had, and you have what I had, therefore you should give me what you have because I deserve things. Instead of self-reflection on the choices they have made, they now discover an adulthood of incompetence. They have no intrinsic value to society, and extreme cognitive dissonance sets in. I have no value, yet I've been told by everyone that I do. My book goes unpublished, my job is being replaced by an LED screen, I am not famous, I own no home, I have no kids, but if I update my facebook profile picture to show solidarity with Paris everyone acknowledges how amazing I am.

This marks the arrival of the social justice warrior. An attention starved adult child who cannot come to grips with the terrible choices they've made under the lax supervision of absentee parents. Their self-perceived victim status elevates their need for more attention, finding solace with other like-minded individuals, and making unreasonable demands based solely on even more virtue signaling. Standards of success are kept shockingly low, as the goal is merely to garner attention and not accomplishments. Marches for rights already obtained ensue, selfies at environment protests, carefully framed to avoid showing their litter, flood the internet. Praise is showered upon them from their vapid, meaningless social media echo chambers.

Today we accomplished nothing, and it was amazing how much people appreciated it.
So basically, none of this would have happened if women had just stayed in the kitchen.

How very enlightened.
 
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24 - 02-18-2019, 19:27
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Well there are 2 forms of the "morons" who blame immigrants for taking their job:

1. are the people getting sacked by the H1B visa invasion but that is more towards the technical sector so not quite so talent-less and was quite legit.

2. Are the morons you speak of. To semi quote a comedian I heard recently, " If a person who doesn't really speak English and has no skills can come over and take your job, you are a dumb mother ****er and do not deserve to have that job"
I actually like group 2 and work with plenty of them. Men and women just doing their job. A guy with an IQ of 80 or 90 who shows up for work every day and put's in a solid 8-10 hours and takes pride in what he does. Guys from the maintenance department climbing inside massive filthy equipment to fix it and get **** rolling again.

I'll respect anyone who is willing to work and takes pride in their job - including illegal immigrants. But I still don't agree that they should be here.
 
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25 - 02-19-2019, 19:24
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i agree that your #1 is not the group to whom i was referring, but surely as a proponent of free markets you would advocate for the right of people who possess equal technical qualifications to compete by accepting lower grades of pay, thereby making our economy more efficient and benefiting the american consumer.

at my old company, we sponsored immigrants all of the time and paid them less than the average wages for equivalent positions, which allowed for a higher level of service and allowed for a legal pathway to citizenship for highly qualified individuals. once they got to the green card stage, the government would benchmark their salaries and we would inevitably be forced to give them a raise. i hope you are not advocating for these socialist practices.
I do not agree with your assessment on #1. You are talking about bringing in someone from out of country to undercut an already established American employee, displacing them to unemployment and the consumer is not benefiting because the corporation is not passing along those savings. Lets take for example Disney who did this on a wide scale. Not one benefit was passed along to the consumer. Ticket prices skyrocketed, movies are the same, retail is the same.
 
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26 - 02-19-2019, 20:04
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Corporations always pass the benefits on to the consumers LMAO do you even capitalism you silly commie
 
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These are among the shortest LogRoller replies I've ever seen on TW.

But then again, I don't really post gay that much anymore. So no room to talk.
 
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I do not agree with your assessment on #1. You are talking about bringing in someone from out of country to undercut an already established American employee, displacing them to unemployment and the consumer is not benefiting because the corporation is not passing along those savings. Lets take for example Disney who did this on a wide scale. Not one benefit was passed along to the consumer. Ticket prices skyrocketed, movies are the same, retail is the same.
that is a function of supply and demand, if disney can charge more over their costs and get the same number of customers, then good for them

the displaced american employee (having been replaced by an immigrant who intends to become an american as well, so you are kind of picking sides) will get another job elsewhere, just possibly for less money.

if the ceos and shareholders of america are able to successfully pocket the difference instead of passing it on to the consumer, that is simply the intended result of a well functioning meritocracy, in which, by definition, the richest and most powerful among us are de facto the most deserving of such wealth. honestly scooby, how on earth can you label yourself a conservative when you advocate for such radically interventionist ideas?
 
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