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81 - 01-18-2009, 19:59
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That sucks.

And here's another one since Two Towers is now on:
Where the **** were the Nazgul between Weathertop (I think?) and the Dead Marshes?
I mean
A lot of time passed.
Were they just sitting around pulling on their spectral dicks? Frodo puts on the ring to escape Boromir, so they should know exactly where he was.
I think they're just sitting around in Mordor for the most part, making steamy orc on necro pornos.
 
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when he 'died' he came back as the white and stripped saruman of his position, and gained a lot of his powers back
So does he physically supplant Saruman and take his powers, or is it more of a symbolic "replacement"?
 
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Symbolic, Saruman still has his powers
 
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So does he physically supplant Saruman and take his powers, or is it more of a symbolic "replacement"?
debatable.

but essentially gandalf the white took over as the head of the istari and assumed his place as 'the wiser and the more powerful in the long-run' (quoting from memory, I'll have to dig out my copy of the silmarillion at this rate)

and as for the nazgul, the way I always understood it was that they're not undead, they're just never, ever allowed to die

edit: saruman doesnt have all his powers, all he has at the end is his skill at dissembly, and even that fails him
 
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I see.

And here's another:
Why do the black people side with Sauron?
And where do they come from?
 
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and as for the nazgul, the way I always understood it was that they're not undead, they're just never, ever allowed to die
Isn't that basically the same thing?

Undead = not living, but unable to die
 
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I see.

And here's another:
Why do the black people side with Sauron?
And where do they come from?
same reason why the 'help' (sam) is a retarded ******, it was the classism/racism that was endemic at the time

and no, 'undead' generally means that they have to die first the nazgul were just ensnared by the 9 rings for so long that they whittled away to wraiths... wainriders, if I recall?
 
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eagles were their own race, and didn't much interfere with the affairs of the other races...
furthermore on this topic... if the entire fate of middle earth (which im assuming includes this eagle "race") rested on frodo destroying the ring.... im sure this one eagle could have made an exception
 
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whole reason they ended up in the continent of middle earth that we 'know' about was cos galadriels uncle [pagy will probably correct me on this, since I vaguely remember] faenor stole the silmarils, and some of the elves turned rebel, notably 'burning the ships' after they landed

pretty warlike race actually, they'd just been around so long by the time of LOTR that they'd caved in to ennui
the noldor elves were pretty rebellious

needless to say many of them wanted to stay and wanted to fight sauron since they had a long standing history with opposing sauron's former master.
 
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furthermore on this topic... if the entire fate of middle earth (which im assuming includes this eagle "race") rested on frodo destroying the ring.... im sure this one eagle could have made an exception
yeah which is why that reason is a bit ****ty

but anyways, an eagle wouldn't have been able to destroy it. in fact, no one was... it was thrown in by accident.
 
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the noldor elves were pretty rebellious

needless to say many of them wanted to stay and wanted to fight sauron since they had a long standing history with opposing sauron's former master.
sons of faenor and all that

and then manwe sends his herald to give the smackdown and usher in the 2nd age

on another note though, talk about a tough break for turin
 
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wow an actual good thread on tribalwar

what channel are you watching kura?
 
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Isn't that basically the same thing?

Undead = not living, but unable to die
the are corporeal ghosts... so i guess you can call them undead... scary spirits...

they dont really have any power other than the witch king... the movie doesnt really show it but all the can do is basically scare the **** out of living creatures when they are near.
 
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the are corporeal ghosts... so i guess you can call them undead... scary spirits...

they dont really have any power other than the witch king... the movie doesnt really show it but all the can do is basically scare the **** out of living creatures when they are near.
well or stab your ass with a nasty knife and kill you
 
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I'm also kinda pissed that they decided to gloss over 'the mouth of sauron'

that guy was bad to the bone
 
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but anyways, an eagle wouldn't have been able to destroy it. in fact, no one was... it was thrown in by accident.
Wait.
You're saying that it's impossible for anyone to destroy the ring?
I assumed that Frodo couldn't because he had been exposed to it for so long.
But you're saying that it's so seductive that nobody could destroy it willingly?

That is awesome. A suitably dark vision.
 
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the are corporeal ghosts... so i guess you can call them undead... scary spirits...

they dont really have any power other than the witch king... the movie doesnt really show it but all the can do is basically scare the **** out of living creatures when they are near.
Doesn't Frodo get stabbed?

Along with some midget that gets his head lopped off?
 
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it was my understanding that no one could destroy the ring willfully, not even a hobbit, the ring itself was just way too evil and would own you at the last second.

edit: remember that golem was a hobbit and he got insta owned by the ring, so while hobbits may have been more able to handle the evil, they were in no way immune. Also frodo gets downright evil in the books, in the movies they just make him look sick
 
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well or stab your ass with a nasty knife and kill you
i should be more specific... they were corporeal, but not necessarily a physical threat... imagine any joe blow with a sword.

the only one among them that was a significant physical threat was the witch king, and it was the witch king that stabbed frodo.
 
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Wait.
You're saying that it's impossible for anyone to destroy the ring?
I assumed that Frodo couldn't because he had been exposed to it for so long.
But you're saying that it's so seductive that nobody could destroy it willingly?

That is awesome. A suitably dark vision.
yep

depending on how you look at it, it was either ultimate damnation or ultimate salvation

its what sent boromir mad, and why gandalf and galadriel wouldnt go near it

its pretty typical of british fantasy/sci-fi though, we always assume the worst
 
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