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1 - 01-18-2009, 16:13
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Explain, nerdlings:

Gandalf is supposed to be some sort of immortal god-thing.
So is Sauron.
How is it then that Gandalf somehow magically forgets about Sauron/the ring and has to go "research" the subject in Gondor?

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he goes to find out whether the ring frodo and bilbo have is the one ring. he knows about it, but he doesn't know exactly what is or how it looks like
 
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great thread. thanks for bringing so much original content to this forum. maybe you can take a picture of whats for dinner followed by a picture of what it looks like when it reaches the toilet bowl? a surefire hall of fame thread.
 
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he goes to find out whether the ring frodo and bilbo have is the one ring. he knows about it, but he doesn't know exactly what is or how it looks like
I suppose that makes sense. Sort of.

One would think that an immortal god wizard guy might make it a point to be familiar with magical artifacts that can destroy the world, though.
 
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when you're alive for 5000 years some thing become unclear and hazy

sauron wasn't the first evil dude in middle earth
 
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I thought this was about Lord of the Flies.
 
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Yeah but it was lost for so long and he was smoking that halfling weed.
 
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plus, it was actually Saruman's job. Gandalf was only like the VP or some ****. that's why he was gray and saruman was white.
 
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Yeah but it was lost for so long and he was smoking that halfling weed.
Oh, right.
I forgot he was a stoner.
 
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I suppose that makes sense. Sort of.

One would think that an immortal god wizard guy might make it a point to be familiar with magical artifacts that can destroy the world, though.
think of gandalf as a sort of angel given human form.

gandalf wasn't even "alive" when sauron forged the ring, and when he lost the ring. (end of second age)

gandalf joins middle earth at the start of the third age with the other wizards.

so while gandalf is a "god-like" thing made flesh, he has no real memory of what he is, nor would he likely know anything about the specifics of items that existed before he did... he never saw the ring, and therefore has to research it. in the books, he leaves for many years to figure things out, capture gollum, etc.
 
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think of gandalf as a sort of angel given human form.

gandalf wasn't even "alive" when sauron forged the ring, and when he lost the ring. (end of second age)

gandalf joins middle earth at the start of the third age with the other wizards.

so while gandalf is a "god-like" thing made flesh, he has no real memory of what he is, nor would he likely know anything about the specifics of items that existed before he did... he never saw the ring, and therefore has to research it. in the books, he leaves for many years to figure things out, capture gollum, etc.
Wasn't he the same as Sarumon, though?

Basically you're saying that he's an immortal god thing, but he doesn't know that he is and nobody bothered telling him about apocalyptic magical artifacts?

If his job wasn't to avert the apocalypse, what was it?
 
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Wasn't he the same as Sarumon, though?

Basically you're saying that he's an immortal god thing, but he doesn't know that he is and nobody bothered telling him about apocalyptic magical artifacts?

If his job wasn't to avert the apocalypse, what was it?
gandalf is like dumbledore. he looks wise and sagely, offers advice, and generally does mystical magiks that only wise old men have learned to do. for the most part he is on the sideline or "off doing something" and has no impact on most of the major storyline work.. but unlike dumbledore, gandalf came back stronger after death.

sarumon beat gandalf in that duel they had in isengard too.
 
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great thread. thanks for bringing so much original content to this forum. maybe you can take a picture of whats for dinner followed by a picture of what it looks like when it reaches the toilet bowl? a surefire hall of fame thread.


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Wasn't he the same as Sarumon, though?

Basically you're saying that he's an immortal god thing, but he doesn't know that he is and nobody bothered telling him about apocalyptic magical artifacts?

If his job wasn't to avert the apocalypse, what was it?
right, all the wizards were the same "class" of "god-like" things. Sauron was too. Sauron was on middle earth in the first age... so he's been around a lot longer.

anyhow, they weren't necessarily put there for a specific job; they were put there to balance the scales. the "major gods" didn't really care much what happened but would rather the sides be fair and let the chips fall where they may.
 
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Wasn't he the same as Sarumon, though?

Basically you're saying that he's an immortal god thing, but he doesn't know that he is and nobody bothered telling him about apocalyptic magical artifacts?

If his job wasn't to avert the apocalypse, what was it?
Gandalf knows what he is but he never directly addresses it to anyone except to the higher up elves if I remember right. It's been a while since I read any of the lore. Regardless, he's there mostly as a guide and less as a front line warrior.
 
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Kura, I thought you didn't indulge in escapism?
 
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Kura, I thought you didn't indulge in escapism?
He doesn't. He's rounding up the "nerdlings" so he can later laugh at us for enjoying a work of fiction.
 
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gandalf's "power" is his ability to be "inspirational"

sauron's "power" is more physically represented, more specifically in the form of his armies and manipulation of people and creatures.
 
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think of gandalf as a sort of angel given human form.

gandalf wasn't even "alive" when sauron forged the ring, and when he lost the ring. (end of second age)

gandalf joins middle earth at the start of the third age with the other wizards.

so while gandalf is a "god-like" thing made flesh, he has no real memory of what he is, nor would he likely know anything about the specifics of items that existed before he did... he never saw the ring, and therefore has to research it. in the books, he leaves for many years to figure things out, capture gollum, etc.
Gandalf was alive, he was just chilling in Valinor. He's more of a demigod (like Hercules) than an angel.

I think he knew about the existence of the one ring but didn't know for sure the one frodo/bilbo had was the same ring.
 
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