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I just had a 2 hour convo with my buddy about Swedish immigration, can you link me to straight facts on how its ruined there economy? I had your back on this dont make me out like a fool
 
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2 hours, try 2 seconds.

Muslims and ******s from Africa don't make good corporate slaves.
 
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Their.
 
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we enjoyed the convo over 3 dollar heinekens, mitch tryhard shorty mcloner
 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO9vBHZRBQ4
 
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Do you really trust 60 minutes to tell the whole truth?
 
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SeVeReD
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Don't argue money don't argue economy it's about quality of life, worthwhile cultures to be around, and space between bodies.
 
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cat tele you ladykiler you
 
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Captain Tele
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honestly man if it took you two hours.....there is no point

the guy doesn't want to believe what you have to say and is already lost in his own little universe.

this isn't uncommon, this is almost always the case......cognitive dissonance a real ***** like that u know?

Spoiler


it is worse than argueing with a Berkeley ****lib about how SAN FRAN sucks......and is covered with literal **** and heroin needles from the homeless and how that "DOESN"T MAKE YOU A BETTER CITY"

But, but, if you are a **** eating cuck this might be an improvement because you live in opposites bizarre world



this might be the problem






I mean maybe this is a "good thing" if you are a pos scum sucker and that is what this kind of discussion sounds like.......

if i can't prove to an American, using English, that this isn't a "good thing" then what are my hopes of proving to an American that Sweden is the same thing but the proof is in another language?

it really is an act of futility but I will make a mild effort below because I am bored
 
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bowl of blood
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10 - 09-22-2018, 15:14
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is their economy ruined tho?
 
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Captain Tele
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step one.....

are "no go zones" a good or a bad thing?

No-go area - Wikipedia

if he says these are good things......I can't help him or the discussion

Hand Grenades and Gang Violence Rattle Sweden's Middle Class

because he is mentally ill and needs to be put down.......wants to watch white world burn

next up.......

if you notice an increase in crime......but the cops can't do anything about it (or don't want to for PC reasons)

do you increase patrols or do they just change the definition and way you collect crime statistics?

Why Sweden doesn't keep stats on ethnicity and crime

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The subject of immigration is an increasingly charged one, yet much of the discussion is founded on guesswork. To the ire of some, and the agreement of others, Sweden does not collect statistical data on the ethnic background of criminals. The Local's Sweden in Focus series looks at why that is the case, and whether it's likely to change soon.
this is like fighting crime......but what crime right?

that is ok.....people will ***** about it on the internet. they can't hide that

Swedish police officer causes controversy with Facebook post

Woman, 70, Says Migrants Defecate In Streets, Set Cars on Fire. Cops Charge Her With Hate Crime.

well, maybe they can.....complaining about it is the crime now

this is ok......just don't ***** about it or they will arrest you for it and have even created a "hate crime" database to keep track of such disatisified citizens



this is the crime.......not this:

More Than 100 Cars Burned in Mass Arson Attack in Sweden

Sweden: Dozens of cars set on fire in one night

I mean this could be a good thing......it does get cold there



maybe the idiot you argued with was Paul Krugman? he has a Keynesian plan that involves stimulating the economy by destroying the city and issuing in new broken window fallacies. If a tsunami was good for the economy of Japan.....a war with space aliens is how we can get out of a recession. then what Sweden is doing with these immigrants is also "not that bad" i guess you could say

but how anyone could say that with a straight face idk

Violent crime in Sweden is soaring. When will politicians act?

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Shootings, hand-grenade attacks and gang warfare have made some city areas no-go zones
I mean hey, this might be a good thing. I might be wrong here to go against this

but it isn't what you feel, it is what you can prove some say......hence this thread

Sweden Prepares For Election With Anti-Immigrant Party Poised For Gains

Sweden Democrats: Anti-immigration party with neo-Nazi roots on course to become second biggest in general election

and maybe, just maybe, there is a reason for this

they see a cause and effect your buddy didn't and doesn't

that everything has a response and this is theirs (just like in Germany)

Germany now......not Germany in WW2 but you could learn the same lessons there if you want to (but you don't)

but next I have to go ahead and explain how Trump got elected (and no it wasn't Russia)
 
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Captain Tele
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is their economy ruined tho?
do you want me to argue against Paul Krugman types?

Meltdown Macroeconomics - The New York Times

that tsunamis and Fukashima WAS a good thing for Japan

I mean that is the argument he made and he has a Nobel Prize in economics

I mean technically Sweden could improve their economy by just burning down everything they have.......not just 100's of vehicles every other night in no go zones which are quickly becoming their entire country

what am I missing here?
 
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no i just want #s, lots of economic metrics available
 
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but next I have to go ahead and explain how Trump got elected (and no it wasn't Russia)
it wasn't russia but they understand the situation

putin "russia is for russians" - instant globalist & shill enemy
 
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no i just want #s, lots of economic metrics available
if i burn your house down tonight

and the insurance money comes in

and maybe there is some FEMA funds behind it

did your economy improve or get worse?

answer me that and I can explain the economic shortfalls of a keynesian based economics argument

yes.......it is this ****ing stupid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG3AKoL0vEs

this is our current discussion

I would argue these people should set themselves on fire and really help out our economy long term

self immolation is ultimate depression fix imo
 
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Captain Tele
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hey.....immigration even illegal immigration improves the American economy

I mean this is 113 B a year we otherwise wouldn't be spending (in debt and deficits)



I mean wow........credit card and HELOC loans and student loans save us too

Student Debt Helps, Not Harms, the U.S. Economy, White House Says

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The debt surge has hurt many, but adds to overall economic output and productivity, report says
this is the type of short term blinders morons I am up against

and no i can't fix stupid

I can only profit from it until the cheap easy money runs out

and now you know how our own economy works too
 
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but op said he was trying to explain to his buddy that the swedish economy is currently in the toilet. this should be a simple matter of showing 10-20 year charts for gdp, exhange rate, debt, productivity, unemployment, etc. evaluating the present state of an economy is a fact question, it doesn't require speculation. the us economy is currently great, even if there are turd maps in san francisco. it may improve from here or it may get worse, and, while that is indeed important speculation, we don't need to know that to say "in the past year, it has been x".

i don't actually know any of this about sweden because i wasn't trying to make the argument, and it would be interesting to see considering how supposedly bad the immigrant situation is. it's not really an opinions matter.
 
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i think feminism is wrecking the swedish economy more than immigrants. feminism is also responsible for widespread immigration, welfare state, and lower birth rates that causes immigration to be an issue so its sort of a root denominator.

feminism also causes **** like this:

Stockholm to get 'gender equal' snow ploughs - The Local (if you don't want to read, it's sweden devoting "equal" plowing their sidewalks before roads because more men bicycle rather than men)

or their mandatory corporate board women quota. Yeah forget that far less women are interested in pursuit of high stakes business, or that simply less women exist in the top 3% of intelligence (to be fair and equal they also exist less in the bottom 3%, they are much more 'average' which is a bad truth as feminism = womyn superiority)

really that article alone says it all - they are frivolously blowing what their forefathers who built SaaB and IKEA into the ground. Any sort of efficiency optimist understands the roads are for more than just male commuters - its for transit of goods. maybe they're planning for a full on little mogadishu with rickshaws and horse carriages transiting goods in the future? idk.

tax dollars can be reinvested in a myriad of ways (or surprise option - not collected if not needed but thats not on the cards for any socialist country). In a place like sweden where it persistently snows if moving goods is now impossible, delayed, or best case more risky causing increased damaged vehicles/goods - price of goods goes up. If you can only get 3 shipments of your product out instead of 4 because your truck has to dodge these no go zones for fear of getting robbed - price of goods goes up. Highwaymen were a primary reason county sheriffs exist and for us now augment the police duties of that jurisdiction. Oh, for the additional snowplowing - expenditure goes up to so its a double whammy.

there comes a point (or does there?) where you have to draw a line of efficiency with morality. pure efficiency is just Hitler's Germany where they increased GDP every year despite being bombed into oblivion and needing to decentralize production of many goods and making ersatz products to come from behind in regards to resource shortages. he also used slave labor, killed the mentally ill, and put everyone 14-75 to work by the end. as a society we determine where that line is an sweden has gone full retard with encouraging unproductive members of societies with large subsidies (this includes stuff like 12 months of maternity leave - newsflash mama aint contributing to the gdp while watching netflix, not just fresh immigrants) and other items like inefficient integration operations that are heavy on cash based education programs and low on 'buckle up, learn the language, get with the operation fast or have your visa revoked."

these somalians have pretty correctly inferred that sweden is full of pussies and will take everything they get handed to them and have learned they can threaten and take more with relative impunity. root problem - feminism, not immigration.

the thing thats always surprised me about sweden is they have some pretty hardcore biker clubs, why the **** aren't they doing ****?

oh also as tele said at a certain point you have to realize youre talking to a globalist drone and just stop 'discussing.' realize that they were programmed to convert you. you are very ordinary in that you see the facts at a normal person level (not autismo level like tele or I) and don't have an encyclopedia to back up everything. if something they says makes you curious about changing your opinion search it out, just dont do it on the spot. some of the more palatable globalist arguments that sound good at first fall pretty quickly to a modicrum anount of research. unfortunately globalists have in their pocket the very surface of news sources so always gotta get through that initial base layer.

blood - wrong.

why is USA GDP growing immediately upon trump economics? because we were being hamstringed by certain agreements and all we had to do was say 'nah'. 1.5% growth may be good for barack but 4 - 5% is more trumps number. sweden's economy could still be rocketing with significant natural resources and a well educated populace but they choose to give it away. Those, barely inflation levels growth. It's also a house of cards as long term the things they used to build up a nest egg (intelligent, honest, hard working populace) is replaced by a (illiterate, corrupt, bennies grabbing) a different one will result in a yemen type situation guaranteed.
 
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i think feminism is wrecking the swedish economy more than immigrants. feminism is also responsible for widespread immigration, welfare state, and lower birth rates that causes immigration to be an issue so its sort of a root denominator.

feminism also causes **** like this:

Stockholm to get 'gender equal' snow ploughs - The Local (if you don't want to read, it's sweden devoting "equal" plowing their sidewalks before roads because more men bicycle rather than men)

or their mandatory corporate board women quota. Yeah forget that far less women are interested in pursuit of high stakes business, or that simply less women exist in the top 3% of intelligence (to be fair and equal they also exist less in the bottom 3%, they are much more 'average' which is a bad truth as feminism = womyn superiority)

really that article alone says it all - they are frivolously blowing what their forefathers who built SaaB and IKEA into the ground. Any sort of efficiency optimist understands the roads are for more than just male commuters - its for transit of goods. maybe they're planning for a full on little mogadishu with rickshaws and horse carriages transiting goods in the future? idk.

tax dollars can be reinvested in a myriad of ways (or surprise option - not collected if not needed but thats not on the cards for any socialist country). In a place like sweden where it persistently snows if moving goods is now impossible, delayed, or best case more risky causing increased damaged vehicles/goods - price of goods goes up. If you can only get 3 shipments of your product out instead of 4 because your truck has to dodge these no go zones for fear of getting robbed - price of goods goes up. Highwaymen were a primary reason county sheriffs exist and for us now augment the police duties of that jurisdiction. Oh, for the additional snowplowing - expenditure goes up to so its a double whammy.

there comes a point (or does there?) where you have to draw a line of efficiency with morality. pure efficiency is just Hitler's Germany where they increased GDP every year despite being bombed into oblivion and needing to decentralize production of many goods and making ersatz products to come from behind in regards to resource shortages. he also used slave labor, killed the mentally ill, and put everyone 14-75 to work by the end. as a society we determine where that line is an sweden has gone full retard with encouraging unproductive members of societies with large subsidies (this includes stuff like 12 months of maternity leave - newsflash mama aint contributing to the gdp while watching netflix, not just fresh immigrants) and other items like inefficient integration operations that are heavy on cash based education programs and low on 'buckle up, learn the language, get with the operation fast or have your visa revoked."

these somalians have pretty correctly inferred that sweden is full of pussies and will take everything they get handed to them and have learned they can threaten and take more with relative impunity. root problem - feminism, not immigration.

the thing thats always surprised me about sweden is they have some pretty hardcore biker clubs, why the **** aren't they doing ****?

oh also as tele said at a certain point you have to realize youre talking to a globalist drone and just stop 'discussing.' realize that they were programmed to convert you. you are very ordinary in that you see the facts at a normal person level (not autismo level like tele or I) and don't have an encyclopedia to back up everything. if something they says makes you curious about changing your opinion search it out, just dont do it on the spot. some of the more palatable globalist arguments that sound good at first fall pretty quickly to a modicrum anount of research. unfortunately globalists have in their pocket the very surface of news sources so always gotta get through that initial base layer.
 
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Tele is a good man a better man than me for typing that out

However this pic is all you need


It is to late to save sweden now even after they redpilled 2 weeks on election day

Let this be a history lesson to us all about Soros and multiculturalism

Excuse me while i walk through the no go zone
 
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