This is without a doubt the best map in EVE.
so... i decided to turn account back on (lol)
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excellent. ty ty ty
ok ok ok, so im caldari and have less than 2 mil skill points 
ive decided i need to jack up my learning skills before i try anything else, which is depressing but the right long-term move.
here's where i am at and what my immediate plan is. suggestions? should i invest in implants for max training efficiency?
Intelligence 11 (+3)
Perception 14 (+7)
Charisma 6
Willpower 11
Memory 12
Learning III ---> Learning V
Spatial Awareness II ---> V ---> Clarity IV (+7 percep)
---> Logic III (+3 int)
Im already at Instant Recall V, but have nothing in Iron Will.
ive decided i need to jack up my learning skills before i try anything else, which is depressing but the right long-term move.
here's where i am at and what my immediate plan is. suggestions? should i invest in implants for max training efficiency?
Intelligence 11 (+3)
Perception 14 (+7)
Charisma 6
Willpower 11
Memory 12
Learning III ---> Learning V
Spatial Awareness II ---> V ---> Clarity IV (+7 percep)
---> Logic III (+3 int)
Im already at Instant Recall V, but have nothing in Iron Will.
just do the ones evemon tells you to do until you can fly what you want + make money decently
after that you can do more learning... part of what keeps newbs away is the lack of reward in the beginning. I'm almost a year old and just finished training all my learning skills.
Gratification -> Specialization
also yeah, implants are pretty awesome at reducing training time. just dont die in em or you'll be broke as shit
after that you can do more learning... part of what keeps newbs away is the lack of reward in the beginning. I'm almost a year old and just finished training all my learning skills.
Gratification -> Specialization
also yeah, implants are pretty awesome at reducing training time. just dont die in em or you'll be broke as shit
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ok ok ok, so im caldari and have less than 2 mil skill points
ive decided i need to jack up my learning skills before i try anything else, which is depressing but the right long-term move.
here's where i am at and what my immediate plan is. suggestions? should i invest in implants for max training efficiency?
Intelligence 11 (+3)
Perception 14 (+7)
Charisma 6
Willpower 11
Memory 12
Learning III ---> Learning V
Spatial Awareness II ---> V ---> Clarity IV (+7 percep)
---> Logic III (+3 int)
Im already at Instant Recall V, but have nothing in Iron Will.
If you look at evemon and do a little math, you'll quickly discover that lvl 5 learning related skills are a waste of time. You can learn the tier 2 skills after training lvl 4 of the tier one skills now also.
If you take a complete newbie character and put him on a plan for a carrier, lvl 5 learning skills would actually DELAY you from flying that carrier, that's how long it takes to train lvl 5.
Basically like Mogs says, Set a long term (6-8 month) plan of skills for the weapons/modules/ships you'd like to be flying, then train the learning skills EvEMon recommends for that plan.
If you absolutely have to train up your learning skills for the sake of training them, plan them all to 3 and do not train them over 4 unless you just happen to get that suggestion in EvEMon, which is very doubtfull. This will save you a LOT of time and frustration.
The most important thing is to get in a ship you'll enjoy flying quickly, otherwise you're playing the skill timer sitting in a station and that's just no fun.
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-=TTC=-Serpreme
Veteran XV
If you look at evemon and do a little math, you'll quickly discover that lvl 5 learning related skills are a waste of time. You can learn the tier 2 skills after training lvl 4 of the tier one skills now also.
If you take a complete newbie character and put him on a plan for a carrier, lvl 5 learning skills would actually DELAY you from flying that carrier, that's how long it takes to train lvl 5.
Basically like Mogs says, Set a long term (6-8 month) plan of skills for the weapons/modules/ships you'd like to be flying, then train the learning skills EvEMon recommends for that plan.
If you absolutely have to train up your learning skills for the sake of training them, plan them all to 3 and do not train them over 4 unless you just happen to get that suggestion in EvEMon, which is very doubtfull. This will save you a LOT of time and frustration.
The most important thing is to get in a ship you'll enjoy flying quickly, otherwise you're playing the skill timer sitting in a station and that's just no fun.
This.
haniblecter
Veteran XX
Don't let EVEMON get you down.
That silly program lets assholes put years worth of training in it and slowly counts down the SP needed, freaking anyone out.
You have to get in the game and set goals that aren't linked to training: like acquiring X amount of ISK, X kills, getting your shit moved, flying with other players, seeing shit, attaining other goals, etc. so you don't burn yourself out.
Completely true on the learning skills, only train what EVEMON tells you to, OR, go to the eve-online.com/forums and look at the skills subforum. There, you'll find some stickied threads that will explain the relative effecencies of skill training, so you know what you should train first (level 2 and 3) and what can be held off till later.
That silly program lets assholes put years worth of training in it and slowly counts down the SP needed, freaking anyone out.
You have to get in the game and set goals that aren't linked to training: like acquiring X amount of ISK, X kills, getting your shit moved, flying with other players, seeing shit, attaining other goals, etc. so you don't burn yourself out.
Completely true on the learning skills, only train what EVEMON tells you to, OR, go to the eve-online.com/forums and look at the skills subforum. There, you'll find some stickied threads that will explain the relative effecencies of skill training, so you know what you should train first (level 2 and 3) and what can be held off till later.
Artemis Pockels
Veteran X
train straight for a titan
haniblecter
Veteran XX
If you look at evemon and do a little math, you'll quickly discover that lvl 5 learning related skills are a waste of time. You can learn the tier 2 skills after training lvl 4 of the tier one skills now also.
woah, nice thanks for the tip!!!
im mostly going the way haniblecter says, so im trying NOT to put "everything" i could want into one long evemon training plan, but instead i have sub-plans based on goals along with a "stuff" plan which has low hanging fruit.
-=TTC=-Serpreme
Veteran XV
never feel pressured into logging in either. Have EveMon going and enjoy life, i spent the last 3 months not playing, but never missing a beat, and i leveled like mad.
haniblecter
Veteran XX
Yap, I've only logged on a handful of times since december. I've had some real life crap, holidays, long skill trains, studying for a big test, and FREEE moved to a new place. So I pay my $15 and go up in the world only to be an even bigger badass when I go through another long cycle of playing.
If anything, that's the story of EVE's success.
Artemis Pockels
Veteran X
its pretty gay that they killed training while deactivated
-=TTC=-Serpreme
Veteran XV
it was a long time coming
ya,
ive played/tested so many friggin mmos and will likely check out more. what i initially hated about eve (the time sink element of skills) is something more interesting to me now that i basically just want part-sims, part-space pvp depending on mood. i stopped caring about buying plex with in-game isk just cuz i dont want to feel like i gotta do shit.
i got cybernetics training for an implant. not bothered about the time at all.
haniblecter
Veteran XX
ya,
ive played/tested so many friggin mmos and will likely check out more. what i initially hated about eve (the time sink element of skills) is something more interesting to me now that i basically just want part-sims, part-space pvp depending on mood. i stopped caring about buying plex with in-game isk just cuz i dont want to feel like i gotta do shit.
i got cybernetics training for an implant. not bothered about the time at all.
Had to get Cyber 5 for my leadership implants. Was groaning about that train for 10 months until I decided to invest in some +5's.....HELL YEA. Im addicted to these things.
27.5 Char (only +4 in)
20.90 Intell
26.4 percep
18.7 mem
19.80 Will
Cool thing is, attribute respec is IN, and they nerfed it like I and others recomended: only one respec per year for old players. Still two free ones within 6mo's for new guys.
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haniblecter
Veteran XX
Nah, I'll just plaster .gif's of my thonged dong bouncing on my key board in every local channel I come across...beats the pants off of mutated livestock linking.
Learning about this expansion has been awesome. Char respec'ing will be great. My attributes kinda suck atm. I also watched much of the recent Tourney on youtube which was really cool and inspiring.
You know me... i came out to fade 0.0 after a WEEK of playing... jumping into the insane bob/d2 wars back in 2006 with my caracals and vigils.
However... I'm only at 2mil SP and have a raven with shit skills.
I decided that instead of burning out fast and getting frustrated in 0.0 with shit skills (i can barely rat decent systems and always have to run), i will slow down a bit and train up while running missions in empire for a month or two.
I'd rather enjoy the game long-term than get really frustrated or burnt out again.
Anyways, for you guys returning or just starting up, we're running ops every night at 8pm EST leaving from Branch.
You know me... i came out to fade 0.0 after a WEEK of playing... jumping into the insane bob/d2 wars back in 2006 with my caracals and vigils.
However... I'm only at 2mil SP and have a raven with shit skills.
I decided that instead of burning out fast and getting frustrated in 0.0 with shit skills (i can barely rat decent systems and always have to run), i will slow down a bit and train up while running missions in empire for a month or two.
I'd rather enjoy the game long-term than get really frustrated or burnt out again.