[T:V cheating] Oh fsck.
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GrEaSy Sp00n?
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borlaK said:
Maybe they were all using it?
Tajora said:
There's a major problem with the justification you propose. I appreciate that smart people like to take things apart and see how they work. I appreciate that these same people, often as a simple thought exercise, like to tinker with things just to see what's possible. Leonardo Da Vinci sketched ideas for deadly war machines on scrap pieces of paper, just because the thought occurred to him. Intellectual curiousity is a good thing.
But Leonardo's sketches, and your screenshots, eventually got seen, and the things eventually got made. Judge for yourself whether that's a good thing or not, because that isn't even the point.
It almost doesn't matter if you release the code or not, because what you have done is introduced the idea into the minds of the community. People will learn that an aimbot is possible and suddenly they will be second-guessing everyone. The days of us saying "nice shot!" will go, and be replaced by "Omfg, aimbot loser!", regardless of whether the person is cheating or not. After that the witch hunting will start, and so will the modding and CRC checks on executables, and constant requesting of demos after clan matches, all of the things that make online gaming a less fun thing to do.
I'm glad there are smart people out there investigating code and innovating. But why couldn't you leave it there? Why did you have to take the next step and publish screenshots saying "hey, look what I can do!" I don't know who that helps, but I certainly know who it hurts: It hurts us all.
Silverspirit
Veteran X
Aimbots work well even with projectile weapons if they're made right. I experimented with one I made with T2's scripting engine and even though it ran slow it would almost always aim right where I needed to for a solid hit with any weapon that went straight because I accounted for almost everything. But, it killed my fps and was tricky to setup, and would be completely useless to any "normal" player.
T:V is very different from T2, though, especially in how players move, and no aimbot is going to be able to predict where a player is that's using the grappler or taking advantage of T:V's increased air mobility. They also aren't a big threat to competition because they would be easy to spot in demos. Of course, right after I say this someone is probably going to add smooth aiming or something to their aimbot :/
T:V is very different from T2, though, especially in how players move, and no aimbot is going to be able to predict where a player is that's using the grappler or taking advantage of T:V's increased air mobility. They also aren't a big threat to competition because they would be easy to spot in demos. Of course, right after I say this someone is probably going to add smooth aiming or something to their aimbot :/
Tajora said:
I just pray you don't release anything. Years of playing tribes, paying for servers, mapping, skinning, etc, etc. This is a substantial hobby/recreation of mine and many others.
Work on making games better, not scaring the pants off people like me
Help Irrational make a better game, show them how to fix exploits or something.[hAuS] C R A B
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I guess if it has been around for a while and the UT community can't stop it, then it is probably unstoppable.
Anyway, as long as the Ladder admins know what to look for and if we have the ability to have serverside demos (maybe??) then I am not too worried. A demo of a guy jerking around killing people will be real easy to spot. And, catching guys staring through buildings at IFFs gets easy to see. It is one thing to have a cheat, it is another to use it so nobody can tell. People can spot the impossible shot so easy nowadays.
Like Borlak said, cheating is more of a pub annoyance than a real problem in ladder matches. I am sure it has occured in tons of T1 and T2 matches, but in general - skill > cheating.
Anyway, as long as the Ladder admins know what to look for and if we have the ability to have serverside demos (maybe??) then I am not too worried. A demo of a guy jerking around killing people will be real easy to spot. And, catching guys staring through buildings at IFFs gets easy to see. It is one thing to have a cheat, it is another to use it so nobody can tell. People can spot the impossible shot so easy nowadays.
Like Borlak said, cheating is more of a pub annoyance than a real problem in ladder matches. I am sure it has occured in tons of T1 and T2 matches, but in general - skill > cheating.
CombatWombat
Veteran XV
Any sort of aimbot for projectile weapons will be no better than the T1 plasma turrets. If you maintain a constant velocity you get hit. If you alter it you're fine. In addition the aimbot will not be able to account for the different height of terrain the target is moving over, so his landing spot may not be what is predicted.
Still don't think it can really replace a good player that can guess an enemies next move based on terrain, enemie's goal, and current movement habits.
Still don't think it can really replace a good player that can guess an enemies next move based on terrain, enemie's goal, and current movement habits.