The more I see, the more I don't believe an aircraft hit the Pentagon.

Look the plane hit the ground in front of the pentagon and thats why the hole isnt exactly big as the plane. It wasnt a missle because as someone already posted if terrorist did have the ability to launch missles at us they wouldnt have stopped at one. This is just what happened no conspiracy, real people died on an airline that someone crashed into the pentagon
 
What's funny is that nobody who supports this silly conspiracy theory has come up with any explanation for what happened to American Airlines Flight 77.

To support this tinfoil hypothesis, it would have to be proven that not only American Airlines was going along with the conspiracy, but that the family members of the following people were, as well:

AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 77
American Airlines Flight 77, from Washington to Los Angeles, crashed into the Pentagon with 64 people aboard.




CREW

Charles Burlingame of Herndon, Virginia, was the plane's captain. He is survived by a wife, a daughter and a grandson. He had more than 20 years of experience flying with American Airlines and was a former U.S. Navy pilot.

David Charlebois, who lived in Washington's Dupont Circle neighborhood, was the first officer on the flight. "He was handsome and happy and very centered," his neighbor Travis White, told The Washington Post. "His life was the kind of life I wanted to have some day."

Michele Heidenberger of Chevy Chase, Maryland, was a flight attendant for 30 years. She left behind a husband, a pilot, and a daughter and son.

Flight attendant Jennifer Lewis, 38, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the wife of flight attendant Kenneth Lewis.

Flight attendant Kenneth Lewis, 49, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the husband of flight attendant Jennifer Lewis.

Renee May, 39, of Baltimore, Maryland, was a flight attendant.





PASSENGERS

Paul Ambrose, 32, of Washington, was a physician who worked with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the surgeon general to address racial and ethnic disparities in health. A 1995 graduate of Marshall University School of Medicine, Ambrose last year was named the Luther Terry Fellow of the Association of Teachers of Preventative Medicine.

Yeneneh Betru, 35, was from Burbank, California.

M.J. Booth

Bernard Brown, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Suzanne Calley, 42, of San Martin, California, was an employee of Cisco Systems Inc.

William Caswell

Sarah Clark, 65, of Columbia, Maryland, was a sixth-grade teacher at Backus Middle School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Asia Cottom, 11, was a student at Backus Middle School in Washington. Asia was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

James Debeuneure, 58, of Upper Marlboro, Maryland, was a fifth-grade teacher at Ketcham Elementary School in Washington. He was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Rodney Dickens, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Eddie Dillard

Charles Droz

Barbara Edwards, 58, of Las Vegas, Nevada, was a teacher at Palo Verde High School in Las Vegas.

Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, of University Park, Maryland, was the director of research at ECOlogic Corp., a software engineering firm. He worked on data systems for NASA and also developed data systems for the study of global and regional environmental issues. Falkenburg was traveling with his wife, Leslie Whittingham, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3.

Zoe Falkenberg, 8, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.

Dana Falkenberg, 3, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.

Joe Ferguson was the director of the National Geographic Society's geography education outreach program in Washington. He was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. A Mississippi native, he joined the society in 1987. "Joe Feguson's final hours at the Geographic reveal the depth of his commitment to one of the things he really loved," said John Fahey Jr., the society's president. "Joe was here at the office until late Monday evening preparing for this trip. It was his goal to make this trip perfect in every way."

Wilson "Bud" Flagg of Millwood, Virginia, was a retired Navy admiral and retired American Airlines pilot.

Dee Flagg

Richard Gabriel

Ian Gray, 55, of Washington was the president of a health-care consulting firm.

Stanley Hall, 68, was from Rancho Palos Verdes, California.

Bryan Jack, 48, of Alexandria, Virginia, was a senior executive at the Defense Department.

Steven D. "Jake" Jacoby, 43, of Alexandria, Virginia, was the chief operating officer of Metrocall Inc., a wireless data and messaging company.

Ann Judge, 49, of Virginia was the travel office manager for the National Geographic Society. She was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. Society President John Fahey Jr. said one of his fondest memories of Judge is a voice mail she and a colleague once left him while they were rafting the Monkey River in Belize. "This was quintessential Ann -- living life to the fullest and wanting to share it with others," he said.

Chandler Keller, 29, was a Boeing propulsion engineer from El Segundo, California.

Yvonne Kennedy

Norma Khan, 45, from Reston, Virginia was a nonprofit organization manager.

Karen A. Kincaid, 40, was a lawyer with the Washington firm of Wiley Rein & Fielding. She joined the firm in 1993 and was part of the its telecommunications practice. She was married to Peter Batacan.

Norma Langsteuerle

Dong Lee

Dora Menchaca, 45, of Santa Monica, California, was the associate director of clinical research for a biotech firm.

Christopher Newton, 38, of Anaheim, California, was president and chief executive officer of Work-Life Benefits, a consultation and referral service. He was married and had two children. Newton was on his way back to Orange County to retrieve his family's yellow Labrador, who had been left behind until they could settle into their new home in Arlington, Virginia.

Barbara Olson, 45, was a conservative commentator who often appeared on CNN and was married to U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson. She twice called her husband as the plane was being hijacked and described some details, including that the attackers were armed with knives. She had planned to take a different flight, but she changed it at the last minute so that she could be with her husband on his birthday. She worked as an investigator for the House Government Reform Committee in the mid-1990s and later worked on the staff of Senate Minority Whip Don Nickles.

Ruben Ornedo, 39, of Los Angeles, California, was a Boeing propulsion engineer.

Robert Penniger, 63, of Poway, California, was an electrical engineer with BAE Systems.

Lisa Raines, 42, was senior vice president for government relations at the Washington office of Genzyme, a biotechnology firm. She was from Great Falls, Virginia, and was married to Stephen Push. She worked with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration on developing a new policy governing cellular therapies, announced in 1997. She also worked on other major health-care legislation.

Todd Reuben, 40, of Potomac, Maryland, was a tax and business lawyer.

John Sammartino

Diane Simmons

George Simmons

Mari-Rae Sopper of Santa Barbara, California, was a women's gymnastics coach at the University of California at Santa Barbara. She had just gotten the post August 31 and was making the trip to California to start work.

Bob Speisman, 47, was from Irvington, New York.

Hilda Taylor was a sixth-grade teacher at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Leonard Taylor was from Reston, Virginia.

Leslie A. Whittington, 45, was from University Park, Maryland. The professor of public policy at Georgetown University in Washington was traveling with her husband, Charles Falkenberg, 45, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3. They were traveling to Los Angeles to catch a connection to Australia. Whittington had been named a visiting fellow at Australian National University in Canberra.

John Yamnicky, 71, was from Waldorf, Maryland.

Vicki Yancey

Shuyin Yang

Yuguag Zheng

So. What happened to that plane?

(I can't believe I'm actually having this conversation.)
 
Bounty said:
What's funny is that nobody who supports this silly conspiracy theory has come up with any explanation for what happened to American Airlines Flight 77.

To support this tinfoil hypothesis, it would have to be proven that not only American Airlines was going along with the conspiracy, but that the family members of the following people were, as well:



So. What happened to that plane?

(I can't believe I'm actually having this conversation.)

They are hanging out with John Lennon on an island in the bermuda triangle.
 
did you guys ever see the movie freejack? that's what happened. now we have 100's of people running from has been rock musicians.
 
Not trying to add to the whole mess that's going around with theories and all but I've always thought it was the ant people that created the hole in the pentagon.
 
JuggerNaught said:
there has yet to be anyone in this thread say that they, with their own eyes saw a 757 impact the pentagon.

but they've got a lot of friends, friends of friends, know someone who was on a team of some sort.

So you don't take a 2nd person account but you'll take a 1st person account even though on this forum they're basically the same thing.

I'm not sure at what point you started trolling but I'm assuming this whole thread is just bullshit.
 
Bounty said:
What's funny is that nobody who supports this silly conspiracy theory has come up with any explanation for what happened to American Airlines Flight 77.

To support this tinfoil hypothesis, it would have to be proven that not only American Airlines was going along with the conspiracy, but that the family members of the following people were, as well:



So. What happened to that plane?

(I can't believe I'm actually having this conversation.)

did you ever actually see this plane? No. You were told that there was a plane and it crashed.

Have you ever actually met these people who say their family were on that plane? No you were given a press release with a list of names on it.

The point i'm trying to make is that things like passenger manifests and lists of family members can be produced...saying you had a 'flight 77' when everyone knows you have a fleet of the exact same plane makes your statement believeable.
 
Bounty said:
What's funny is that nobody who supports this silly conspiracy theory has come up with any explanation for what happened to American Airlines Flight 77.

To support this tinfoil hypothesis, it would have to be proven that not only American Airlines was going along with the conspiracy, but that the family members of the following people were, as well:



So. What happened to that plane?

(I can't believe I'm actually having this conversation.)

On about page 7 I provided phone number and email addresses to people who worked with a few folk on Flight 77. Juggs won't call them to find out if the person really did exist and really did die on the flight.

The flip side, that the flight never existsed, that the people on the flight never existsed or that they were killed by the government to prompt us into war is the most insane thing I've ever heard. That people could even fathom that idea is obsurd.
 
Uncle Silas said:
So you don't take a 2nd person account but you'll take a 1st person account even though on this forum they're basically the same thing.

I'm not sure at what point you started trolling but I'm assuming this whole thread is just bullshit.

this forum and real life arent the same thing..i know its hard to believe..but its not.

And unless a 1st person account is available ANYWHERE...then there is just supposition.
 
JuggerNaught said:
this forum and real life arent the same thing..i know its hard to believe..but its not.

And unless a 1st person account is available ANYWHERE...then there is just supposition.

time to let it go Jug
 
Jugg, stop being a dumbass.
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Uncle Silas said:
that the people on the flight never existsed or that they were killed by the government to prompt us into war is the most insane thing I've ever heard. That people could even fathom that idea is obsurd.

operation northwoods

&

lavon affair
 
...and the more I read this thread, the more I believe TW has an awful lot of fucking morons.

You have someone WHO WAS THERE telling you it was a plane. What more do you idiots want?

(Or maybe the super-secret gov't agency responsible has gotten to our beloved Bounty...the horror!)
 
what I do find funny is

the point about finding the terrorist's passports in the wreckage

how the fuck can you find a piece of paper

which was on the jet

that crashed in to a building

that led to a very hot fire

which led to the collapse of a building
 
stolen from a sig on another board....

It's one thing to be a passenger on a hijacked airliner piloted by ideological zealots targeting a building. It's yet another thing to be a citizen within a hijacked nation piloted by ideological zealots targeting human rights and freedoms worldwide. At some point, we'll best serve our common humanity by following the example of the passengers of Flight 93. Will we have their courage?
 
james said:
what I do find funny is

the point about finding the terrorist's passports in the wreckage

how the fuck can you find a piece of paper

which was on the jet

that crashed in to a building

that led to a very hot fire

which led to the collapse of a building

It happens all the time at crash sites. We pulled up many similar artifacts at TWA Flight 800, and we're talking about a plane that made a high-speed nose dive into the ocean.

Lots of documents survived the WTC crash from the planes and the buildings, including passports.
 
All the arguments that Flight 77 is either fictitious or that it "disappeared" elsewhere are fucking stupid. The simple reason is logistics and the breadth of such a conspiracy. If it never existed, how big of a network of people do you need to maintain the illusion that a jetliner full of passangers was destroyed? The answer is, too many. If they took the plane elsewhere and blew it up, why the fuck wouldn't they just crash it into the building in the first place instead of sending a missile or something else that would be questioned ad nauseum? On the infinitesimally plausible assumption that they shot down Flight 77 and still wanted to smash something into the pentagon, why would they, according to the "no plane" theory, use something like a missile? Why not just gas up an identical plane so the results would be authentic?
Occam's razor - think about it.
 
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