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Originally Posted by Rayn
anyone saying she is lying about how awful that **** was is crazy. these contractors don't give a **** if you are uncomfortable they just hope you don't die (they've had at least 1 person die a year since 2000)
keep in mind these people have not been processed by the law and they may be innocent or guilty. its not acceptable to treat these people with such a lack of disrespect for basic human dignity, this is something that could happen to someone completely innocent. the government is aware of this problem and doesn't really give a **** because who cries for inmates
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Originally Posted by Rayn
so you're suggesting instead we try and save money by treating people as less than human, including people who are innocent and have not been given their constitutional right to due process by the law? well if we're just going to throw out the constitution and have no regard for basic human dignity why feed prisoners? why heat prisons? those things are expensive. they might be innocent? no bother, they must have been doing something wrong since they wound up "in the system".
why have any accountability at all? someone is suspected of a crime? throw them away, let them rot in some van covered in their own filth. we can just use secret police and get rid of anyone we feel like.
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Originally Posted by Rayn
this is pure stupid. the choices aren't "spend a billion dollars flying prisoners around the US" or "treat prisoners like livestock and lock them in cages full of their own **** for a 7 day car trip"
believe it or not, there is a middle ground. you can transport people by van and NOT treat them like they aren't human! police prisoner transports do a fine job at this every ****ing day.
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So yeah they are isolated instances or are the a rampant problem? Based on your anger it sure did seem to me you were painting the whole lot of them with the same brush.
I come in and defend the system and now you agree these instances of people (drivers, guards) being dicks are rare since we transport without problems all the time or are they all the time being dicks?
The treatment of innocent until proven guilty and guilty should be the same, no better no worse wouldn't you agree? So that part has no reason to be in this thread? Or what were you saying there?
My stance is this. The system sucks you bet. You shouldn't be abused but expect to suffer.. from long rides or confinement. Spending extra money so they have shorter travel is unreasonable to me. Again abuse is illegal but that's not what all this crying is about is it? Unless abuse in your opinion is a long ride in a ****ty van with ****ty prisoners because your ****ty ass got caught being ****ty.
Here is a great way to avoid the long ride.
A. Don't break the law
B. Don't get caught
C. Don't leave the area if you don't want to be transported back