LOLbama - Obama changes tune on Iraq
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Two things on the donations, those are donations from people who work at those companies - are you saying people aren't allowed to make campaign contributions if they work somewhere?
500k is less than 1% of the total contributions Obama has received this cycle.
Jason Furman is from the Brookings Institute, which is clearly a liberal/left-center think tank. I hate to break it to you but there is no such thing as ideological purity in the Democratic Party, just because someone doesn't agree with you on one policy point doesn't make them an evil conservative. Also, he wasn't part of the Hamilton Group, but part of the Hamilton Project- an working group within Brookings. Maybe you should get your facts straight before making wild claims, as if you took a cursory glance at the papers the Hamilton Project was putting out you would see it's not a conservative group (Universal Health Care, expanding public schooling and helping students afford college, expanding our progressive tax system, dealing with climate change, how to assist those who lost their jobs due to the globalizing economy, working to reduce poverty (including expanding social insurance), strengthening our science and technology innovation through education and incentives).
As for Wal-Mart, on the whole it is a 'blessing for poor people', given that there are many more poor people than just those that work at Wal-Mart it does increase the consumption possibilities frontier on the average for a poor person.
As for paying a 'livable wage', I would ask what that wage was and how they came by it.
You hit the height of demagoguery with that 'pro-Wal Mart' bit btw
Obama is going to be president. Get used to it.
I haven't seen him make any changes on his position on that, hiring economists rather than politicians to help shape his economic policy doesn't count on that front.
Yes, however, I would be happy if he reconsidered his position on free trade though.
btw, in case someone is going to continue the retarded argument about campaign finance:
according to CRP, 45% of the money has come from donors under $200. 28% came from $2,300 donors, of which there were 28,125. He received $64,687,500 from those donors, which makes his overall receipts $231,026,785.
So that means $103,962,053 came from donors under $200.
If we assume the average donation for those donors came in at $100, that would mean there were 1,039,620 donors that gave under $200. If we assume it was $150, it would be 693,080. CRP reports 141,658 donors of $200 or more by the way.
Now if we compare that to McCain:
24% from donors of under $200, 46% from donors of $2,300 - of which there were 15,953. That's $36,691,900. Overall, that would make his total receipts $79,765,000.
So that's $19,143,600 from donors under $200. Assuming the same averages as with Obama, that would yield 191,436 or 127,624 under $200 donors with 52,564 $200+ donors.
Either way, Obama's small donor to large donor ratio is somewhere around 4 times larger than McCain's.
according to CRP, 45% of the money has come from donors under $200. 28% came from $2,300 donors, of which there were 28,125. He received $64,687,500 from those donors, which makes his overall receipts $231,026,785.
So that means $103,962,053 came from donors under $200.
If we assume the average donation for those donors came in at $100, that would mean there were 1,039,620 donors that gave under $200. If we assume it was $150, it would be 693,080. CRP reports 141,658 donors of $200 or more by the way.
Now if we compare that to McCain:
24% from donors of under $200, 46% from donors of $2,300 - of which there were 15,953. That's $36,691,900. Overall, that would make his total receipts $79,765,000.
So that's $19,143,600 from donors under $200. Assuming the same averages as with Obama, that would yield 191,436 or 127,624 under $200 donors with 52,564 $200+ donors.
Either way, Obama's small donor to large donor ratio is somewhere around 4 times larger than McCain's.
TonyElTigre
Veteran XX
So you are admitting Obama has large financiers as well, you just dont think its "as bad" as mccain?
So you admit Obama has again deceived his supporters?
nobody in a major party running for president since they implemented contribution limits has not had people donating the max amount.
I would also ask you to point out where Obama said that he would shun donations from individuals just because they can donate more than a couple hundred dollars. He hasn't accepted PAC money, which is consistent with what he's said in the past.
That said, I don't have a problem with PACs so long as people are limited in the amount they can give to any one PAC and to all PACs in an election cycle as well as to the party committees. Three board members of Home Depot giving something like 250k to the RNC in 04 was a bit much.
TonyElTigre
Veteran XX
are individuals?
When you make a campaign contribution, you are required to disclose your employer - those are individuals that work at said firms that have made donations.
For Obama: 210 donations from individuals at Goldman Sachs over $1000, 141 donations of at least $2,300, 131 donations of under $1000 (but at least $200)
There were also 125 donations of any dollar amount from employees that went to McCain, 217 that went to Hillary, 55 that went to Dodd, 4 that went to Paul, and 1 that went to Gravel among all the various contributions.
There were 701 donations from Sachs employees that went to some presidential candidate this cycle over $1000 and 455 that were $2,300 or more. I do not know how many they made of any dollar amount because CRP's only goes through 1000 entries.
So unless you are proposing legislation that states people may not donate if someone at their firm has already donated to that candidate, it shouldn't come as a surprise that firms in which individuals are paid fairly well will likely see many donations to candidates.
There were also 125 donations of any dollar amount from employees that went to McCain, 217 that went to Hillary, 55 that went to Dodd, 4 that went to Paul, and 1 that went to Gravel among all the various contributions.
There were 701 donations from Sachs employees that went to some presidential candidate this cycle over $1000 and 455 that were $2,300 or more. I do not know how many they made of any dollar amount because CRP's only goes through 1000 entries.
So unless you are proposing legislation that states people may not donate if someone at their firm has already donated to that candidate, it shouldn't come as a surprise that firms in which individuals are paid fairly well will likely see many donations to candidates.
As opposed to the neo-con sheep donating their tax money to no-bid contractors like Halliburton. You're saving up for the Cheney retirement plan - you go broke and die, he gets all your money.
MolimOrion
Veteran XV
LOLbama
oh, and
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/25/1167856.aspx
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/25/1167856.aspx
it's entirely possible that he's hedging because he just stated receiving national security briefings...you know, because they don't start doing that for candidates until it's clear who's the winnar.
