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The problem with guns is the perception that there is a problem with guns. For the same reason why everyone talked about the problem of blacks killed by police or anthrax delivered through the postal system:

The non-stop media coverage.

Cover something enough and it becomes the only talking point. So much so that all possible cases are identified and discussed ad nauseam. And with the constant coverage comes the copycats who think it's a good idea (knowing they'll receive attention for it) - and the media will cover that too and look for more ways to point the blame at anything but themselves.

Whatever the media chooses to focus on will become the discussion and that discussion will be limited to the language put forth by that coverage. I don't seek a 'solution' to gun violence because what I see reported on TV is not what I see in my neighborhood/community/city. It doesn't impact my life and any rare occurrence which might crop up is an isolated incident and I'd bet 99% of the people weighing in on the subject are also unaffected by it in their personal lives. What does impact people's lives is the saturation of opinion pieces and round table discussions of 24/7 "news" outlets. They offer up what people should be concerned about and present their reasons why that is and people take it all in - they take those talking points to their family/friends/colleagues/social media because they feel like they're informed; be it guns, politics, the economy, w/e.

Nobody's talking about the postal service's susceptibility to anthrax spores even though nothing has changed since 2001. No 'round-the-clock coverage of racial riots/protests speaking out about the police: Did we solve that crisis? No. So why isn't it a massive deal anymore? Because Donald Trump ran in the Republican primaries and everyone cared more about that. The media coverage is a ride and at some point you have realize it's taking you in circles and it's time to get off. None of it is important. Focus on the things/people directly in your life.
 
i don't know how i will get along without an option to buy a bump stock, but i guess that's one right i can live without for now.

anymore rights you'd like orange hitler to take away from you today, kotz?
 
Justify? It is stupid and pointless. So sure, ban bump stocks if that is all it takes to make the left stfu

thnk you come again

edit-plz decriminalize drugs to defund MS13 and nigger gangs overlooked by cops so they can exert some measure of control
 
Bumpstocks cause ammunition prices to go up for the rest of us. ;)

I don't see the big issue tho. The question of bump stocks is a good one as the ATF has (correctly) ruled they are legal. Obviously they are designed to exploit a legal wording loophole. Legislators are now doing their job in debating this, one of the few times they are actually doing their job rather than passing superficial resolutions honoring people and obstructing the budget. This isn't a radical paradigm shift like 'ban all handguns/ar15s/whatever,' but a necessary discussion of 'should this loophole exist?' I'm in favor of them remaining unbanned, but they clearly go against the intent of the original legislature which, while I may not agree with, is probably one of the most delicately and precisely balanced legislation acts to keep both the pro gun/anti gun sides in a status quo. Given this upsets the balance, Republicans would be smart to negotiate in instituting a ban on them in exchange for other items. Given I probably won't agree with what they would negotiate for, something like more DoD spending or further regulating abortion or something stupid like those, this will unfortunately be a wasted opportunity.

Democrats will attempt to mobilize as much outrage as possible to get a free W, I don't blame them on that front. This is standard politcking. Quite frankly given their limited ability to be effective in an actual combat setting (and not a aim into a crowd setting), bumpstocks are not important to the original intent of the 2nd amendment. aka great negotiation fodder and if it goes, it goes.
 
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So is banning bump stocks "infringing," or is it not?

A bump stock is not a firearm. Banning it does not infringe upon anyone's rights. It's also not going to do anything to curb mass shootings. Tomorrow's argument will be to ban something else that won't stop mass shootings, using this as a precedent. The day after it will be something else. 10 years from now the rate of gun violence will be the same, with a lot more things banned for no reason.
 
A bump stock is not a firearm. Banning it does not infringe upon anyone's rights. It's also not going to do anything to curb mass shootings. Tomorrow's argument will be to ban something else that won't stop mass shootings, using this as a precedent. The day after it will be something else. 10 years from now the rate of gun violence will be the same, with a lot more things banned for no reason.

you must not have a lot of confidence in your side arguing against crazies
 
A bump stock is not a firearm. Banning it does not infringe upon anyone's rights. It's also not going to do anything to curb mass shootings. Tomorrow's argument will be to ban something else that won't stop mass shootings, using this as a precedent. The day after it will be something else. 10 years from now the rate of gun violence will be the same, with a lot more things banned for no reason.

Stopping mass shootings vs. having increased effectiveness

also, seriously bad slippery slope argumentation that results in perpetual gridlock on any legislation and is responsible for 'x is going to become the next hitler' type political "discourse" that runs rampant in our polarized society. By that logic, keeping bump stocks legal will allow private citizens to own nuclear bombs in 20 years time, using this as precedence. ofc 'that is different,' which is what everyone says when countering this train of thought, and no one can agree due to it and people then bitch about everyone else not being able to agree. What's wrong with American Politics 101

if bump stocks actually helped with the original intent of the 2nd amendment - killing agents of a tyrannical government, I can get behind it. Holosights important for that, forward grips, extended magazines, sure. Bumpstocks - no. Trump 'The Dealmaker' better get some democratic compromises for shelling it over. I have no doubt he will, regardless if Pelosi ever says herself 'yeah we gave up the dreamers for bumpstocks.' Politics is only idealistic to socialists and libertarians. For every situation there is a winner and a loser.

The Cuban Missile Crisis is an example of a big win using bartering - Missiles out in exchange for shit we were going to do anyways, plus the benefit of Khruschev out (which the next guy turned out to be worse lol). This will be dealt with behind the scenes and the only important thing is to make sure the Dems dont play the emotion card too hard to ensure something substantial is had in return. There is a reason Trump brought it up out of the blue in the first place, as the (edit: most recent) shooter didn't even use a bumpstock. Maybe its just chess to take the limelight off of AR15s, IDK. It's all open for interpretation.
 
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Justify? It is stupid and pointless. So sure, ban bump stocks if that is all it takes to make the left stfu

Ahh, I see you've gone from "they'll pry my bump stocks from my cold, dead hands" to "fine let them take them".

I imagine that's how your badass stance on your weapons would go, too, if they outlawed them.

Is it the meds that make you talk tough, or are you just one of those hothead dumbfucks?
 
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