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It is. Any claims otherwise - capitalist propaganda not rooted in reality. Having said that, nothing is perfect and issues arise, but yes, as a general and reliable rule of thumb, a lot of money in the private sector simply goes into the pockets of the capitalists, which is wasteful.





Capitalists indeed have bottomless pockets, as you yourself noted (2% pay 40% of taxes, according to you), but they don't like investing if they can't guarantee returns. So say goodbye to experimental technology. If it was up to the private sector, we'd keep on sucking and shoveling oil and coal out of the ground for all eternity for power.
You realize that government hands taxpayer money to those capitalists to build roads and schools right? **** you're dumb.

Nice chart. Consider for a second that there are 100 other factors contributing to life expectancy besides healthcare.
 
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Yes, the government has to do it this way in an oligarchy, but why aren't you asking why aren't private investors dropping cash at these infrastructure projects?

Not to worry, Trump's plan is to have toll roads everywhere that you'll have to pay every day for the rest of your life, and the profits go directly to private businesses.
 
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Yes, the government has to do it this way in an oligarchy, but why aren't you asking why aren't private investors dropping cash at these infrastructure projects?

Not to worry, Trump's plan is to have toll roads everywhere that you'll have to pay every day for the rest of your life.
As a side note.. I'm in the construction industry and have bid on (and won) 5 school projects, as well as 2 other civic building projects. My observations on all 7 jobs were that they were extremely lucrative and extremely lax when it came to deadlines, pressure from project management, and general oversight. The only part I was impressed by was the consistent and direct involvement of the engineering firms, no doubt billing by the hour.

Having also been involved in countless commercial privately funded projects, the differences are absolutely night and day. There's no comparison. While I was also well paid for those contracts, the timelines and management were like comparing a Ferrari to a Pinto. Government doesn't run projects efficiently, because there are no direct stakeholders managing them. This is a fact. I don't care about your charts, I've lived it on multi-million dollar projects. Fact. When the bosses aren't directly and financially involved, **** just doesn't get done efficiently.
 
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Oh and to add to my little story, I actually did work on one high-school project where a private developer was sold a public school board land. In exchange for being allowed to purchase the land and develop it privately, the builder had to construct a school attached to their project (Toronto people: Tridel and the NTCI)

Needless to say, it went up quick!
 
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Socialist Fin arguing about government efficiency. Oh, the internet.
 
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Its funny that a national socialist who hates multiculturalism and non-whites can preach the [supposed] benefits of socialism to a bunch of Americans...

You realize there are 100,000,000+ non-whites in the US right? And they're represented in government... and you want them having more control over ****? lol
 
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He lives in a place with 5.5 million white people. He'd be singing a different tune if he left his ice box.
 
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He lives in a place with 5.5 million white people. He'd be singing a different tune if he left his ice box.
Not to mention these 5.5 million mostly-white people are represented federally by 200 seats in parliament... or 1 representative for about 27,500 people. Contrast that with each seat in US congress representing more than half a million people.


Yeah guys, socialism is ****ing awesome........... when your white utopia country has a smaller population than Maryland.
 
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Well, it happens to be a proven fact. I feel bad that you buy capitalist propaganda that they keep making and enforcing hand over fist.
The United States under Capitalism has created the most successful and wealthiest nation in the world and history, put that in your social**** pipe and smoke it.
 
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would be interesting to see what would happen if Finland had to pay for their our national defence instead of just leeching from the us. then again the us allows them to leech
 
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They would first have to return all the F-18s they bought from us.
 
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5 Statistics Showing How Capitalism Solves Poverty | Daily Wire
 
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So capitalists buy out the politicians and you complain that the "government is too big". Only a red state goon is that stupid. The REAL issue is that capitalists today pay 16% tax, instead of 60+% tax like they used to. They then use all of those saved dollars to purchase any politicians they need, who then work for the corporation, instead of the people. The answer here is to tax more and limit capital accumulation, but the stupid libertarian nincompoop thinks it's a problem with the "state".

Got 700 billion for a stupid wasteful welfare program, but not for free lunches or education or healthcare. STUPID doesn't even begin to cover this. If America had free education, you wouldn't "have to" (get to) spend 4+ years doing **** all and could be learning to do something useful for the economy, like installing HVAC.
i never get tired of reading the delusional statist rants of a pro nazi humanitarian



what a time to be alive in the world
 
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Its funny that a national socialist who hates multiculturalism and non-whites can preach the [supposed] benefits of socialism to a bunch of Americans...

You realize there are 100,000,000+ non-whites in the US right? And they're represented in government... and you want them having more control over ****? lol
There's also 150+ million Whites. As for the rest of your blather, it's not my fault the US has a ****ty, capitalist paradise version of a "democracy". Try holding the owner class accountable, like we did here in 1918, and you might get some goodies which are entire feasible but prevented only because the rich wouldn't give you a wooden penny if it was up to them
 
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Here's the only statistic that matters: the US is, on paper, the richest nation in the history of the world. Despite this, over half of the population is poor or in poverty.
 
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ITT people are surprised that commie piece of **** socialist absent thinks government is smarter with money than private sector




it is like russia without the ability to get good access to vodka
 
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Our poor drive Escalades and wear Jordan's.
 
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Here's the only statistic that matters: the US is, on paper, the richest nation in the history of the world. Despite this, over half of the population is poor or in poverty.

The smart and productive thrive. The lazy and unmotivated get what they deserve. Unless you suddenly care about the blacks and hispanics and wanna throw them a dime? LOL what a hypocrite piece of ****...
 
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Good example. I read about the Big Dig some years back. Basically, two private corporations rife with corruption and subject to pretty much zero public oversight went ham and sabotaged the project for more money. Good example.
the same old song and dance

that government spending would have worked if only it weren't for the crime of capitalism

charging us to do something and charging us too much when we just throw other peoples money at them
 
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