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Al'Muktar
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61 - 01-18-2009, 19:22
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best explanation I ever got off a stoner for his stonerism:

"dude you ever read in lord of the rings yeah, they're like, yeah, 'nah we dont need no alcohol, we got this leaf' yeah"
 
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just dont tell the eagle then. its not like anyone near the ring bearer automatically knows they have the ring. except the bad guys.

i wonder if that reason was added to the book by tolkien AFTER it was first asked (probably by his kids when they read his beta copy or something)
anyone near the ring wants the ring... good or bad. if you didn't know they had the ring, you wouldn't know what you wanted... just imagine it has this evil magic aura.

the books have a few examples of this, like bilbo finding it in a matter of moments in darkness...

the eagle would have taken the ring... the ring wouldn't let itself be hidden. like i was trying to explain, the ring is actually a character int he story.
 
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hobbit carries ring, eagle carries hobbit
eagle kills hobbit, eagle flies off with ring to sauron or better yet, becomes sauron
 
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its how elendil dide

ring wasnt only a ****, it actively wanted to get back to sauron cos of his connection to it
 
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Is Sam mentally slow?

Because I distinctly get that impression.

I actually own both LotR and the Silmarillion, but I've never gotten around to reading it all.



Also, why doesn't Agent Smith just kill the dude from Gondor that refused to destroy the ring?
That would have saved a lot of trouble.
And one whiny douchebag prince dying beats millions.
 
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anyone near the ring wants the ring... good or bad. if you didn't know they had the ring, you wouldn't know what you wanted... just imagine it has this evil magic aura.

the books have a few examples of this, like bilbo finding it in a matter of moments in darkness...

the eagle would have taken the ring... the ring wouldn't let itself be hidden. like i was trying to explain, the ring is actually a character int he story.
ooooook fine, have the eagle tether the pecks in a basket on a long rope out of aura range lol
 
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Is Sam mentally slow?

Because I distinctly get that impression.

I actually own both LotR and the Silmarillion, but I've never gotten around to reading it all.



Also, why doesn't Agent Smith just kill the dude from Gondor that refused to destroy the ring?
That would have saved a lot of trouble.
And one whiny douchebag prince dying beats millions.
sam isnt 'slow' as such (although he was 'acted' as such in the films), its more a case of tolkien being a posh **** and thinking of the 'help' as inferior

as for elrond, well, he was only half-elven
 
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Is Sam mentally slow?

Because I distinctly get that impression.

I actually own both LotR and the Silmarillion, but I've never gotten around to reading it all.



Also, why doesn't Agent Smith just kill the dude from Gondor that refused to destroy the ring?
That would have saved a lot of trouble.
And one whiny douchebag prince dying beats millions.
all the pecks are slow... tolkien does this on purpose to make you appreciate the one time they do something right that much more
 
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69 - 01-18-2009, 19:42
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as for elrond, well, he was only half-elven
That still doesn't answer the question, though. Why didn't he just off the jackass and say "UH, HE SLIPPED AND FELL INTO THE MAGMA, LOL. GUESS YOU GUYS NEED A NEW KING AGAIN."

Surely he knew what could happen.

And if he was only half elf, how could he live 3,000+ years?
Isn't Aragorn half elf too?
And doesn't whats-her-face get upset because she'll outlive him?
 
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Why would elves ever even go to war?
If you were "undying," then logic would dictate that you'd be far more frightened of the prospect of death than somebody that has a natural lifespan.

War would be a completely illogical concept for such a race.
 
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That still doesn't answer the question, though. Why didn't he just off the jackass and say "UH, HE SLIPPED AND FELL INTO THE MAGMA, LOL. GUESS YOU GUYS NEED A NEW KING AGAIN."

Surely he knew what could happen.

And if he was only half elf, how could he live 3,000+ years?
Isn't Aragorn half elf too?
And doesn't whats-her-face get upset because she'll outlive him?
thats the crux of it

half-elves have to choose between eternal life (in valinor, which is why they're all ****ing off) or mortality

aragorn is descended from the numenorean kings, so he's naturally gonna live double the time of most mortals (he dies, surrounded by merry and pippin and his wife a fair few years later)
 
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thats the crux of it

half-elves have to choose between eternal life (in valinor, which is why they're all ****ing off) or mortality

aragorn is descended from the numenorean kings, so he's naturally gonna live double the time of most mortals (he dies, surrounded by merry and pippin and his wife a fair few years later)
That sucks.

And here's another one since Two Towers is now on:
Where the **** were the Nazgul between Weathertop (I think?) and the Dead Marshes?
I mean
A lot of time passed.
Were they just sitting around pulling on their spectral dicks? Frodo puts on the ring to escape Boromir, so they should know exactly where he was.
 
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Why would elves ever even go to war?
If you were "undying," then logic would dictate that you'd be far more frightened of the prospect of death than somebody that has a natural lifespan.

War would be a completely illogical concept for such a race.
whole reason they ended up in the continent of middle earth that we 'know' about was cos galadriels uncle [pagy will probably correct me on this, since I vaguely remember] faenor stole the silmarils, and some of the elves turned rebel, notably 'burning the ships' after they landed

pretty warlike race actually, they'd just been around so long by the time of LOTR that they'd caved in to ennui
 
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That sucks.

And here's another one since Two Towers is now on:
Where the **** were the Nazgul between Weathertop (I think?) and the Dead Marshes?
I mean
A lot of time passed.
Were they just sitting around pulling on their spectral dicks? Frodo puts on the ring to escape Boromir, so they should know exactly where he was.
well if you remember, the nazgul got f*cked up at that river by rivindell (name escapes me) and had to recover
 
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whole reason they ended up in the continent of middle earth that we 'know' about was cos galadriels uncle [pagy will probably correct me on this, since I vaguely remember] faenor stole the silmarils, and some of the elves turned rebel, notably 'burning the ships' after they landed

pretty warlike race actually, they'd just been around so long by the time of LOTR that they'd caved in to ennui
Cool. I really should read the books. Tolkien seems to draw from a lot of history/myths.

What is the difference between Gray Gandalf and White Gandalf?
I mean
I realize that he supposedly dies in the battle with the fire dude
But why is he stronger?
And why does he forget his name?
 
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well if you remember, the nazgul got f*cked up at that river by rivindell (name escapes me) and had to recover
Yeah, but it wasn't all of them (at least in the movie. I think it was only 7.)

Besides, aren't they basically undead?
 
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That still doesn't answer the question, though. Why didn't he just off the jackass and say "UH, HE SLIPPED AND FELL INTO THE MAGMA, LOL. GUESS YOU GUYS NEED A NEW KING AGAIN."

Surely he knew what could happen.

And if he was only half elf, how could he live 3,000+ years?
Isn't Aragorn half elf too?
And doesn't whats-her-face get upset because she'll outlive him?
I wonder why the dwarves didnt just steamroll the ****ing orcs with steam tanks and gyro copters

The half elves choose which race they want to belong to. Elrond wanted to be more elf. His brother (aragorns great great great great great great great great great great great great grampa x20 was his brother, but he chose to be a man).
So Arwen is actually his distant cousin I think. She chose to be mortal since she's half elf too (I think)
 
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Is Sam mentally slow?

Because I distinctly get that impression.

I actually own both LotR and the Silmarillion, but I've never gotten around to reading it all.
sam is quite possibly retarded. he's fat and trims bushes... he's not exactly an intellectual.
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Also, why doesn't Agent Smith just kill the dude from Gondor that refused to destroy the ring?
That would have saved a lot of trouble.
And one whiny douchebag prince dying beats millions.
well they dont know he'll be an outright hazard. he wants to keep it but then agrees to the plan to escort it to mordor.

***** i thought you meant boromir

i dont think it's as clear in the books how it went other than having elrond tell isildur to destroy it... i dont think it implicitly says he took isildur to mount doom. in eihter case elrond wouldnt be able to push him just as isildur isn't able to throw it in himself.

the full danger wouldn't have been known and isildur wouldn't have listened to elrond anyways... and you can't exactly tell the heir to a throne what to do when he has an army behind him.
 
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Cool. I really should read the books. Tolkien seems to draw from a lot of history/myths.

What is the difference between Gray Gandalf and White Gandalf?
I mean
I realize that he supposedly dies in the battle with the fire dude
But why is he stronger?
And why does he forget his name?
grey gandalf was sent as the second in command of the istari (wizards), but his superiors knew that saruman would fall

basically he was the wise-man to saruman's ambitious man, and as somebody else said in this thread, they only had miniscule amounts of their actual powers initially

when he 'died' he came back as the white and stripped saruman of his position, and gained a lot of his powers back
 
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Yeah, but it wasn't all of them (at least in the movie. I think it was only 7.)

Besides, aren't they basically undead?
their horses drowned

it was a long walk back 2 mordor i imagine
 
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