[Religion] "I want my kids to decide for themselves"

Hellsfury said:
There are 2 kinds of people in the world. Those who believe, and those who do not.


Of the first, there are those who's actions demonstrate that they believe (even when their statements do not). Then there are those whose statements communicate that they believe (even though their actions may or do not).

Of the second, there are those who can not believe because their perceptions of the world (as they've come to know it) tells them they can not believe (and so they don't). Then there are those who do not believe because they choose not to believe, (regardless of what they perceive the world to be demonstrating).

Some people are Christians, but they do not know it.
Some people are not Christians, but they think so.
Some people are justified in their disbelief
Some people have no excuse.

I shall be pleasantly surprised by all those who end up at the LORDs table that I did not think would be there.
I shall be disheartened and mourn those who are turned away in shock for their genuine confusion at not being recognized
I shall be gracious and empathize with those who say they did not understand and could not comprehend of their own free will.
I shall give no regard for the above towards those who made their choice and now suffer a fate borne of themselves.


I should think that God will pour out his grace and acceptance of the first of each group while offering the second, very little in turn.
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This point of view is widely held by those who ALWAYS place themselves in the winner category.

In other words, its all egotistical bullshit on your part.
 
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HaPpY said:
um ok, first of all you're still assuming these events really actually occured. then you're arguing chance. im telling you there is evidence and even proof they did not occur at all (such as the great flood). therefore you're argument of chance/coincidence is completely moot.

furthermore no one here is arguing that the bible may have been altered after its "publication" as you seem to think by bringing up the dead sea scrolls.
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well until you start bringing something to the table here, I'm sick of arguing facts. There is widespread indications, in every ancient culture on the earth, that there was a great flood. If you can't admit this much, am I not wasting my time?
 
Togowack said:
well until you start bringing something to the table here, I'm sick of arguing facts. There is widespread indications, in every ancient culture on the earth, that there was a great flood. If you can't admit this much, am I not wasting my time?
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sigh... and i already mentioned what that flood was
 
Togowack said:
The Bible is the only law worth knowing. If you claim to know everything about physics, or believe that the law of physics is the final and end all, then answer me this. Why is there so much money going into the Hadron Collider? If we needed Einstein to bring us the basis for our laws of Physics, how do we know he was right?

Even he admits he didn't know everything.

What we call the law of physics is what the bible calls the law of sin and death, that is entropy, the law that says that matter degrades and deforms and degenerates. This law is at work in every atom of matter in creation.
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I don't claim to know everything about physics.
Your use of hyperbole doesn't negate what I said. But it is a common fundie tactic.

The question is irrelevant.

No, the bibel does not associate itself with the Laws of Physics, because it was written in the post-Bronze Age of the Levant. It isn't some prophetic text.

And it appears you don't understand physics at all, but are again hitting Creationist talking points about 'order vs chaos', which show a glaring lack of such understanding about the cyclical nature of energy/matter interaction.
 
HaPpY said:
:rofl: this just shows that you're too far gone in your delusion to bother reasoning with any more. you sound exactly like a muslim cleric.
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considering all the great Americans who came up with the laws you're trying to push actually were bible believers, I guess that makes you better than all of them. Don't you realize that the bible is what taught people like Benjamin Franklin how to deduce and reason? It gave them the ability to judge the outcomes of their experiments true or false.
 
Mabelrode said:
This point of view is widely held by those who ALWAYS place themselves in the winner category.

In other words, its all egotistical bullshit on your part.
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No...

It's egotistical bullshit to view me as inferior or inherently flawed because I do not share your view of the world. Which is why these "debates" become so inflamed and carry on, page after page, in threads.
 
Mabelrode said:
I don't claim to know everything about physics.
Your use of hyperbole doesn't negate what I said. But it is a common fundie tactic.

The question is irrelevant.

No, the bibel does not associate itself with the Laws of Physics, because it was written in the post-Bronze Age of the Levant. It isn't some prophetic text.

And it appears you don't understand physics at all, but are again hitting Creationist talking points about 'order vs chaos', which show a glaring lack of such understanding about the cyclical nature of energy/matter interaction.
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if you don't know everything about physics, how can you say the bible defies the law of physics?
 
Hellsfury said:
No...

It's egotistical bullshit to view me as inferior or inherently flawed because I do not share your view of the world. Which is why these "debates" become so inflamed and carry on, page after page, in threads.
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No.
In the instance in question, you are one of the saved.. right or wrong?
 
ZOD said:
It's called the scientific method. If a theory fails to meet validation via that method then the theory is false. It may come one day that we gain more knowledge and truth that refutes Einsteins theories via the scientific method. We are in a state of acquiring knowledge and it progresses unlike the bible.
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because the bible was right to begin with, and if it is right, then it is our knowledge which is incomplete.

If it's already correct, then we must be looking in the wrong places for our answers.
 
Togowack said:
No, but I did meet him.
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Your Honor, defense moves to have the case thrown out.

Seriously though, your response proves your requirement that I know all the laws of physics inclusively to be able to state when something defies one or some of them, is obviously inane.
 
Togowack said:
considering all the great Americans who came up with the laws you're trying to push actually were bible believers, I guess that makes you better than all of them. Don't you realize that the bible is what taught people like Benjamin Franklin how to deduce and reason? It gave them the ability to judge the outcomes of their experiments true or false.
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yes im sure you will tell me einstein was a hardcore christian next :rofl:

dont go too far back on me btw... back then everyone HAD to be a christian. i would have been one also.
 
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