taking wow (and mmo's) too far

Good read.

I'm taking a break from the game starting tonight, until the expansion comes out. While this has been something that I could feel coming for a couple weeks now, this article kinda pushed me in the right direction. It's hard to continue playing WoW (especially when you can't actually DO anything) when your real life seems so much better by comparison. And that's how it should be. :)
 
A good raid leader really can't do very much in a raid if he wants to lead it competently. This is why raid leading is best suited for a mage or hunter much of the time, since you guys generally have the easiest job (except on maexxna and even then you screw it up gg).
Actually it was teh locks and hunters that blow on Maex nublar.
 
Wait, wait wait. Did you seriously just say that getting drunk is more healthy than doing nothing?

did i say that? i never said that getting drunk is more healthy. my point was that doing nothing AND getting drunk are BOTH bad for you, but at least with getting drunk you'll have a story to tell.
 
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after typing something like this, it really indicates your inability to grasp the issue or listen to the points that myself and others have made.

So i'm tapping out, you've offered nothing to progress this issue

i listened to your point, but i still think human beings are born as social creatures. maybe not everyone "likes" to be around other people, that doesn't mean complete isolation is healthy for them.

let me guess, are you the type of person that believes in the mass prescription of ADD medication on kids these days?

just because i disagree with you doesnt mean you have to tap out. and dont take everything i post literally, somethings i post are purposely lined with a grain of salt to get you people thinking
 
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I'm sure that same beautiful female would think so too :rolleyes:

you missed the point :rolleyes:

you wouldn't have to explain yourself to a beautiful female because with tribes you can play for 2 hours at a time and then get up and leave. with WoW you're constantly stuck on your computer screen and you'd have to make an excuse to the girl for why you couldn't hang out. and "i'm playing a massive multiplayer online roleplaying game" wont cut it with most women
 
did i say that? i never said that getting drunk is more healthy. my point was that doing nothing AND getting drunk are BOTH bad for you, but at least with getting drunk you'll have a story to tell.

depending on your circle of friends, you can have stories to tell about wow too

i'm not saying me personally, but just because you may be outgoing and party hardy doesen't mean everyone else is, some people actually play wow because they enjoy it
 
i listened to your point, but i still think human beings are born as social creatures. maybe not everyone "likes" to be around other people, that doesn't mean complete isolation is healthy for them.
And you're some sort of expert on this topic? Google "introversion"
You've done nothing more than mumble "friends good, alone bad" out of subjective ignorance.
let me guess, are you the type of person that believes in the mass prescription of ADD medication on kids these days?
yeah this is really relevant.

What does the improper diagnosis of add have to do with video games? Unless of course you're suggesting that medical alternatives aren't always preferred or effective as modified environmental and social conditions through the use of understanding patients on a case by case basis.

So i guess your analogy does work; why are you trying to provide a prognosis for gamers different than you? Just because someone likes playing games more than watching tv with friends means something is wrong with him?

Checkmate?
 
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did i say that? i never said that getting drunk is more healthy. my point was that doing nothing AND getting drunk are BOTH bad for you, but at least with getting drunk you'll have a story to tell.

Woo, a story! I'd rather have a healthy brain/liver than a story. Strange that, even though you claim to be more aware of what is healthy for us, you don't agree.
 
http://soulkerfuffle.blogspot.com/2006/10/view-from-top.html

there's a "counter" article at the end, though I don't think it "countered" anything.

a ton of comments follow, from "man, me too!" to "qq more n00b".

all in all, he did well in describing the ugliness of mmo's addictive side. take from that what you will. it's OFN for anyone that's been playing since mud days, but perhaps it'll show something to those new comers that are slipping down the slope from "casual" to "hardcore".

"end game" in a game that never ends, nice oxymoron in one of the comments.

These games give us a fantasy identity with never-ending "achievements" to aim for. It's a game that imitates life's core human interests and motivations.

When i see people literally discussing their loot and gear for hours upon hours non-stop every day it makes me sad. These are "normal" people who's brains are more focused on fantasy stuff and fantasy achivements than anything going on in the real world.

I also get saddened when i see fathers really caught up hardcore.

On the other hand, there are fathers who play and dont seem to have fucked up their lives. This is a whole new form of addiction and challenge that our culture and experience just isnt used to. We'll adapt with new language, tactics, self-helf industries and eventually media-driven "crisis" talk.

It wont be much longer before the mainstream media catches up to this type of stuff and it becomes a new "crisis" on par with al qaeda, no doubt. I mean, there are definately people fuckin up their lives on par with being heroin addicts but it will be a while before we can even be clear on the real danger.

It isnt the game itself that's dangerous.

All these games do is provide a simple, controllable and more sane alternate to reality. That's the nature of the fun. Whether you enjoy ganking people or loot whoring, you're enjoying something that provides little achievements.

It's no different than counter strike, in that sense.

CS is the ultimate procrastination tool. It's like mine-sweeper. 3 minute rounds... repetitive. Simple. Gratifying. Bite-sized stupid fun.

It's different than most other human games tho, historically, in that the 'persistent world' element gets us so deeply involved and attached to these characters. We also have social attachments in the game. These combine into an entirely new phenomenon that i think folks since the days of Muds/moos saw as an unstoppable force in humanity.

I remember playing muds in 1991ish back in college. It was no different than EQ, WoW, etc. There were hardcore addicts (i was one, briefly, until my drinking and girl chasing desires crushed my mud desires). I remember talking with a housemate back then about this whole internet virtual reality thing.

We used to be like "imagine if this had graphics and was more interactive!!!" :lol:

We used to imagine what would happen if the gamers themselves had more means to build the community and the environment themselves, etc. But we also realized how addicting virtual reality was and was going to eventually become.

I see this as something that will honestly spawn a new generation of mainstream media, too. Somebody's gonna figure out how to bring this shit directly into the living room where entire families get hooked on "persistent worlds" and stories.

We're only just beginning.

Game designers are still learning how to develop compelling fantasy universes that are fully interactive and how to tell "interactive stories." Console devs are way ahead in this, obviously, but i think the future is definately in MMOs.

Now, if they can produce games where folks outside china and indonesia can literally survive by playing... look out. COngress is looking into how these games may or may not need to be rethought around the question of taxation. This is the first flash of interest, because these games will start to literally create their own economics on scales not seen yet. Folks will be dropping out of college, out of life... and surviving financially by playing these games... in greater numbers.

Basic game addiction is only the start...
 
When i see people literally discussing their loot and gear for hours upon hours non-stop every day it makes me sad. These are "normal" people who's brains are more focused on fantasy stuff and fantasy achivements than anything going on in the real world.
versus the 400 threads you've made about wow with regards to your multiple 60's, twinking, and gold farming?

give me a break
 
versus the 400 threads you've made about wow with regards to your multiple 60's, twinking, and gold farming?

give me a break

rofl no shit, i was thinking the same thing tsetse was saying when reading his pathetic to the maxxx AH thread.
 
Sheesh, I'm going to have to read this article now to see what you bedwetters are crying about. This is almost as bad as one of my native realm WoW forums.
 
The level of stupid displayed in this thread by a few posters is astounding. (I'm lookin at you here, bud)

yeah, i'm stupid. now you go back to playing WoW, while i go live my life. i'm perfectly happy knowing that a bunch of WoW idiots dont like me or dont share my opinion.
 
yeah, i'm stupid. now you go back to playing WoW, while i go live my life. i'm perfectly happy knowing that a bunch of WoW idiots dont like me or dont share my opinion.

way to go from condecending to extremely defensive

quick! don't lose real life cred by getting owned by a bunch of nerds :lol:
 
way to go from condecending to extremely defensive

quick! don't lose real life cred by getting owned by a bunch of nerds :lol:

yeah my real life is affected by what goes on here man.. .much like people who play wow think purples = RL respect

i'm not looking for acceptance from you people. just here to spread my word.
 
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