Las Vegas/Mandalay Bay mass shooting

Osiris said:
Just like no one does in europe and pretty much everywhere else in the world. Its basically a sacrifice you have to make in order to create a better tomorrow for your country (no matter how cliche it sounds) and i get that it fucking sucks for you because youre used to it being like it is now and humans are selfish creatures.
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That right there is all the evidence that i need to make sure we never give an inch on our 2nd and continue to allow people to buy guns.

Europe is a fucking shithole and in 5 - 10 years, most of it will be 3rd world. Fuck that!
 
Osiris said:
If you want to talk problems, the root problem is the 2nd amendment. It was a noble and possiby genuinely valid sentiment 250 years ago. But as with a lot of things the sentiment it was founded on is now outdated and archaic.

Another big problem (imo) is the way the US population has grown since then (its hard for me to articulate and explain exactly what i mean in english) But in short: the floodgates were opened and a lot of different groups, ethnicities, religious and political views came to the US. Most people came with only two bare hands and most were left to fend for themselves from the get go = lots of tension and aggression + crime is easy) Perpetuate this for a few centuries. It took a long time before the US had any meaningful system of handling immigrants.

Yet another problem is the relative ease of actually aquiring a weapon. Minimal background checks, loopholes and basically over the counter purchasing. When its so easy to get a gun its also so easy to buy a gun off of someone who isnt a licensed dealer.

And like nigafool touched on the 2nd amendment is now become so ingrained into the minds of americans that it if you try to do anything about it, its now all about 'muh rights, mah freedom, its always been this way'

And thats why the solution is so simple but at the same time so hard to implement:

Make it harder to buy guns.
You will hate it and your children probably wont like it. But if thats the reality then in a few generations it will be the new normal and no one will miss the days when you could buy a gun at walmart. Just like no one does in europe and pretty much everywhere else in the world. Its basically a sacrifice you have to make in order to create a better tomorrow for your country (no matter how cliche it sounds) and i get that it fucking sucks for you because youre used to it being like it is now and humans are selfish creatures.
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You're free to think this. I believe you're wrong. You can claim you feel safer in Europe, that you made it a better tomorrow. I believe in history. I believe in what happens when the government knows it never faces any repercussions for oppressive actions. Take away the populations means of overthrowing a government, and eventually that government acts with impunity. You might think it's impossible, that it would never happen. You're probably wrong.
 
coombz said:
people will still manage to be dicks with knives, bombs and other shit, but it will make some kind of difference

imo

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it sure will

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samUwell said:
That right there is all the evidence that i need to make sure we never give an inch on our 2nd and continue to allow people to buy guns.

Europe is a fucking shithole and in 5 - 10 years, most of it will be 3rd world. Fuck that!
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If you think that is because europeans cant buy 10 guns at lidl youre a dumbass.
Immigration policy and gun control doesnt correlate.
 
Osiris said:
If you want to talk problems, the root problem is the 2nd amendment. It was a noble and possiby genuinely valid sentiment 250 years ago. But as with a lot of things the sentiment it was founded on is now outdated and archaic.

Another big problem (imo) is the way the US population has grown since then (its hard for me to articulate and explain exactly what i mean in english) But in short: the floodgates were opened and a lot of different groups, ethnicities, religious and political views came to the US. Most people came with only two bare hands and most were left to fend for themselves from the get go = lots of tension and aggression + crime is easy) Perpetuate this for a few centuries. It took a long time before the US had any meaningful system of handling immigrants.

Yet another problem is the relative ease of actually aquiring a weapon. Minimal background checks, loopholes and basically over the counter purchasing. When its so easy to get a gun its also so easy to buy a gun off of someone who isnt a licensed dealer.

And like nigafool touched on the 2nd amendment is now become so ingrained into the minds of americans that it if you try to do anything about it, its now all about 'muh rights, mah freedom, its always been this way'

And thats why the solution is so simple but at the same time so hard to implement:

Make it harder to buy guns.
You will hate it and your children probably wont like it. But if thats the reality then in a few generations it will be the new normal and no one will miss the days when you could buy a gun at walmart. Just like no one does in europe and pretty much everywhere else in the world. Its basically a sacrifice you have to make in order to create a better tomorrow for your country (no matter how cliche it sounds) and i get that it fucking sucks for you because youre used to it being like it is now and humans are selfish creatures.
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Fuck you. Come and take them.
 
Fool said:
You're free to think this. I believe you're wrong. You can claim you feel safer in Europe, that you made it a better tomorrow. I believe in history. I believe in what happens when the government knows it never faces any repercussions for oppressive actions. Take away the populations means of overthrowing a government, and eventually that government acts with impunity. You might think it's impossible, that it would never happen. You're probably wrong.
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How many separatist guerillas and armies exist in the world that are opposing the ruling government? A shit ton and they even have military grade hardware and yet most of them cant do shit about it.
 
Osiris said:
How many separatist guerillas and armies exist in the world that are opposing the ruling government? A shit ton and they even have military grade hardware and yet most of them cant do shit about it.
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You're proving my point.
 
samUwell said:
I think you are forgetting about 2 extremely large borders on our nation and then, mistakingly believe that our border control policies catch everything that crosses over.

I am sure the cops confiscate numerous fully automatic firearms every year from inner-city gangs. Most of these guns come from across the border. Even if rounded up all the guns and put a 100% ban on any new gun sales, thousands of people would still die every year due to guns coming across the border.

The CIA and DEA will never close the border up. They both need the extra $$ coming in to pay for their secret wars.
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my favorite argument is that gun control in the states doesn't work, can't work, until they are enacted on a federal level.

that is their excuse for why no-gun zones don't work, why gun free cities like chiraq keep getting deadlier, why entire states like CA can't become draconian enough at gun removal for them.

to which i ask.......would a national embargo even work?

i mean prohibition didn't stop alcohol importation

the war on drugs didn't and doesn't stop drugs from spilling over our wide open borders.

so unless there is a planet wide moratorium on guns nothing is going to change or work..........

and then you realize, at this point, that the USA is one of the largest gun manufacturers and suppliers on the planet (next to Russia) and the bullshittery of it all, the entire argument, becomes so crystal clear.
 
Osiris said:
If you want to talk problems, the root problem is the 2nd amendment. It was a noble and possiby genuinely valid sentiment 250 years ago. But as with a lot of things the sentiment it was founded on is now outdated and archaic.

Another big problem (imo) is the way the US population has grown since then (its hard for me to articulate and explain exactly what i mean in english) But in short: the floodgates were opened and a lot of different groups, ethnicities, religious and political views came to the US. Most people came with only two bare hands and most were left to fend for themselves from the get go = lots of tension and aggression + crime is easy) Perpetuate this for a few centuries. It took a long time before the US had any meaningful system of handling immigrants.

Yet another problem is the relative ease of actually aquiring a weapon. Minimal background checks, loopholes and basically over the counter purchasing. When its so easy to get a gun its also so easy to buy a gun off of someone who isnt a licensed dealer.

And like nigafool touched on the 2nd amendment is now become so ingrained into the minds of americans that it if you try to do anything about it, its now all about 'muh rights, mah freedom, its always been this way'

And thats why the solution is so simple but at the same time so hard to implement:

Make it harder to buy guns.
You will hate it and your children probably wont like it. But if thats the reality then in a few generations it will be the new normal and no one will miss the days when you could buy a gun at walmart. Just like no one does in europe and pretty much everywhere else in the world. Its basically a sacrifice you have to make in order to create a better tomorrow for your country (no matter how cliche it sounds) and i get that it fucking sucks for you because youre used to it being like it is now and humans are selfish creatures.
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i have a solid idea/plan to lower the amount of guns in this country for you.

if you are registered as a democrat, if you identify as a gender other than the gender you actually are, or if you have any tattoos/unusual piercings/artificially colored hair parts, you are banned from owning guns.

i think that's fair. i mean, i think it will help the problem. probably cut homicide rates in half, at least. don't you agree?
 
America isn't every 3rd world shit hole they've destabilized

Their farmers and goat herders could definitely bring the most insanely op military this world has ever seen to its knees
 
Osiris said:
How many separatist guerillas and armies exist in the world that are opposing the ruling government? A shit ton and they even have military grade hardware and yet most of them cant do shit about it.
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wars USA has won since WW2

zero

half of Korea (look at North Korea today)

none of Vietnam (despite winning ALL battles)

and don't get me started on Iraq and Afghanistan

15 years of pure pain ...... we still never going to "win" that

why?
 
i mean i don't know how many times we need to remind people that when you disarm your options are either to submit or die to your government

there isn't even a fight to have.......there is no further discussion.

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not even a day after this and the lesson already needs to be repeated to some supplicants and serfs apparently

i saw the above shit and thought hmmnmmmmmmm....... maybe you can't have enough guns or ammo

people like Osiris sees it and wants to unlock his doors and windows
 
havax said:
i have a solid idea/plan to lower the amount of guns in this country for you.

if you are registered as a democrat, if you identify as a gender other than the gender you actually are, or if you have any tattoos/unusual piercings/artificially colored hair parts, you are banned from owning guns.

i think that's fair. i mean, i think it will help the problem. probably cut homicide rates in half, at least. don't you agree?
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I agree on the transgender (clear mental issues) and piercing/tattoos outside the 'norm' part (indicative of mental issues). I think all democrats is a bit much though.
 
havax said:
i have a solid idea/plan to lower the amount of guns in this country for you.

if you are registered as a democrat, if you identify as a gender other than the gender you actually are, or if you have any tattoos/unusual piercings/artificially colored hair parts, you are banned from owning guns.

i think that's fair. i mean, i think it will help the problem. probably cut homicide rates in half, at least. don't you agree?
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take the guns from the half the country causing all the problems and are clearly not emotionally mature enough to handle them

and want them gone

sounds like a grand compromise to me

yet.......like paying more in taxes through free volition will require more goons with guns to ever enact

so here we are
 
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