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China Reeeeing At Arrest Of Huawei CFO, Warns It Wirr "Take Arr Measures"

Shortly after the news hit that Huawei CFO Wanzhou Meng ***8212; also deputy chairwoman and the daughter of Huawei***8217;s founder ***8212; was arrested on December 1, or right around the time Trump and Xi were having dinner in Buenos Aires last Saturday, and faces extradition to the U.S. as a result of a DOJ investigation into whether the Chinese telecom giant sold gear to Iran despite sanctions on exports to the region, China immediately lodged a formal protest publishing a statement at its embassy in Canada, and demanding the U.S. and its neighbor "rectify wrongdoings" and free Meng, warning it would "closely follow the development of the issue" and will "take all measures" to protect the legitimate rights and interests of Chinese citizens.

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Remarks of the Spokesperson of the Chinese Embassy in Canada on the issue of a Chinese citizen arrested by the Canadian side

At the request of the US side, the Canadian side arrested a Chinese citizen not violating any American or Canadian law. The Chinese side firmly opposes and strongly protests over such kind of actions which seriously harmed the human rights of the victim. The Chinese side has lodged stern representations with the US and Canadian side, and urged them to immediately correct the wrongdoing and restore the personal freedom of Ms. Meng Wanzhou.

We will closely follow the development of the issue and take all measures to resolutely protect the legitimate rights and interests of Chinese citizens.
Meng's arrest will immediately heighten tensions between Washington and Beijing just days after the world***8217;s two largest economies agreed on a truce in their growing trade conflict. It will, or at least should, also prompt any US execs currently in China to think long and hard if that's where they want to be, say, tomorrow when Xi decides to retaliate in kind.

Meng***8217;s father Ren Zhengfei, a former army engineer who***8217;s regularly named among China***8217;s top business executives, has won acclaim at home for turning an electronics reseller into the world***8217;s second-largest smartphone maker and a major producer of networking gear.

As Bloomberg notes, the CFO***8217;s arrest will be regarded back home as an attack on China***8217;s foremost corporate champions. While Alibaba and Tencent dominate headlines thanks to flashy growth and high-profile billionaire founders, Ren***8217;s company is by far China***8217;s most global technology company, with operations spanning Africa, Europe and Asia.
***8220;Tencent and Alibaba may be domestic champions and huge platforms in of their own rights, but Huawei has become a global powerhouse,***8221; said Neil Campling, an analyst at Mirabaud Securities Ltd. It is ***8220;5G standards that are at the heart of the wider IP debate and why the U.S. and her allies are now doing everything they can to cut to the heart of the Chinese technology IP revolution.***8221;
Going back to the arrest, the U.S. Justice Department declined to comment about the circumstances involving the CFO, although the biggest question on everyone's mind right now is whether Trump was aware of the pending arrest at the time of his dinner with the Chinese president, and why exactly he had greenlighted the move which would certainly result in another diplomatic scandal, promptly crushing and goodwill that was generated at the G-20 dinner.

Meanwhile, in a statement, Huawei said the arrest was made on behalf of the U.S. so Meng could be extradited to ***8220;face unspecified charges***8221; in the Eastern District of New York.

***8220;The company has been provided very little information regarding the charges and is not aware of any wrongdoing by Ms. Meng,***8221; Huawei said. ***8220;The company believes the Canadian and U.S. legal systems will ultimately reach a just conclusion. Huawei complies with all applicable laws and regulations where it operates, including applicable export control and sanction laws and regulations of the UN, U.S. and EU.***8221;
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I'll be curious to hear more about who in New York is bringing this case forth and the real marit of it is...

Stay out of China Scooby Snacks
for a while
 
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What I am curious about is "whether Trump was aware of the pending arrest at the time of his dinner with the Chinese president, and why exactly he had greenlighted the move"? Why should that matter at all?

Should he have said, "No, don't arrest him." Or, "Cancel our bigly important dinner because we need to arrest someone."

I suppose I should look for some reeeeeeactions from the reeeegreeessives to see if they are the people wondering about it or not. I have a feeling that the left is suddenly going to be bashing Trump for this but who knows, I could be wrong.
 
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Happy, Happy... Joy, Joy!

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DOJ Readies More Cyber-Spying Charges Against Government-Linked Chinese Hackers

Less than a week after President Trump's Saturday meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping, which offered a brief glimmer of hope that the trade war between the world's two biggest economies might be headed for a deescalation, the arrest and expected extradition of Huawei CFO Wanzhou Meng has raised questions about retaliation and cast doubt on whether the promised trade truce will hold. And adding to those pressures, the Wall Street Journal reported on Friday that the DOJ is planning yet another in a series of indictments against Chines intelligence agents or suspected government-linked hackers.

hough details were vague, WSJ said the DOJ is preparing to indict a team of government-linked hackers who allegedly carried out a multiyear scheme to break into the systems of US technology service providers, which WSJ described as "one of the most sophisticated and audacious" to date.

The target of the indictments is a mythical Chinese hacking group that private security contractors have nicknamed "ATP 10" and "cloudhopper" - ATP stands for Advanced Persistent Threat."
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Cael... looks like the DOJ is coming for you buddy ol' pal.
 
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Huawei CFO Charged With Fraud, Deemed "Flight Risk" Whose Bail "Couldn't Be High Enough".

She has been accused of conspiracy to defraud banks due to what prosecutors allege was an attempt to cover up transactions involving a Huawei subsidiary that violated US sanctions against Iran.

Appearing in court wearing a green jumpsuit and without handcuffs, Meng reportedly looked to be in good spirits in a Vancouver courtroom where the prosecutions' case was detailed publicly for the first time.

Despite the gravity of the allegations against her, Meng displayed a light-hearted demeanor as she entered the court, smiling and laughing as she conferred with her lawyer, David Martin, and at one point during the proceedings, she even flashed him a 'thumbs up.'

But her sunny demeanor soon faded as the Canadian government***8217;s lawyer, John Gibb-Carsley, launched into a description of the allegations facing Meng - namely, that she was being charged with multiple "fraud offenses" under Canadian law involving her work to knowingly violate sanctions against Iran imposed by the US and EU.
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Damn Canadians... Always starting ****!
 
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good
dont let her out
she's gonna put up 10 million in properties who cares
shes worth billions
 
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i fking luv this ****

o canada, indeed
 
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Most important thread on TribalWard not getting enough traction. Come on Experts,,, opine...

I don't think this will be the last individual to get caught up in this new pursuit of law enforcement...
 
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i fking luv this ****

o canada, indeed
Can't go anywhere without those damn Canadians stirring trouble. Rude as all hell and arresting brown people from no reason whatsoever.

She dindoo nuffin.
 
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why is this good news?
 
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why is this good news?
It's not. This has the potential to be the spark that ignites a war. Although, let's say China arrested a high ranking CEO from an American corporation (which could very happen now - tit-for-tat), would you as a citizen be willing to start a war to get that CEO back?

I sure as hell wouldn't but, because the line blurs between government and corporation, the State could view this as arresting a high ranking government official and command the media to go nuts over it, like their media currently is.

And Canada is taking all the flack. If Canada arrested this woman for the US, we better be backing our brothers from another mother.

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Beijing blames Canada for Huawei arrest and threatens ‘grave consequences for hurting feelings of Chinese people’

China has ratcheted up the pressure on Canada to release the detained executive of Huawei Technologies over the weekend by threatening “grave consequences” and accusing Canada of “hurting the feelings of the Chinese people”, escalating the case into one of the worst diplomatic rows between Beijing and Ottawa.

Chinese foreign vice-minister Le Yucheng on Saturday summoned Canadian ambassador John McCallum to lodge a “strong protest” against the arrest of Sabrina Meng Wanzhou in Vancouver and urged Ottawa to release Meng immediately, according to a brief foreign ministry statement.

The arrest of Meng in Canada, which took place on the same night that Chinese President Xi Jinping and US President Donald Trump dined together in Buenos Aires, has infuriated Beijing.

The official Xinhua news agency published an editorial on Sunday morning condemning the arrest as an “extremely nasty” act that had caused “serious damage to Sino-Canada relations”.

“According to the words of the Canadian leader, he had known of the action in advance,” Xinhua said, referring to the fact that Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau – whom it did not did name directly – had a few days’ notice of the arrest.

“But he didn’t notify the Chinese side. Instead, he let this kind of nasty thing to happen and assisted the US side’s unilateral hegemonic behaviour – this has hurt the feeling of Chinese people,” Xinhua added.
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Stock market was down 666.6 pts at one time.

Worst case scenario is that corporate China uses time travel tech to retaliate for this, creates the devil.

Maybe Mathew Broderick can play tic tack toe with them.
 
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I say we fight them
 
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It's not. This has the potential to be the spark that ignites a war. Although, let's say China arrested a high ranking CEO from an American corporation (which could very happen now - tit-for-tat), would you as a citizen be willing to start a war to get that CEO back?

I sure as hell wouldn't but, because the line blurs between government and corporation, the State could view this as arresting a high ranking government official and command the media to go nuts over it, like their media currently is.

And Canada is taking all the flack. If Canada arrested this woman for the US, we better be backing our brothers from another mother.

I think it's a valid reaction from the Chinese government.

It's pretty horse**** that the US can have jurisdiction on a case that happened outside the US, involving non-US persons and non-US companies.

Guess anyone going to north america can get snatched up by the govt now
 
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China held accountable for supplying Iran with communications systems while fighting a proxy war in Yemen, incurring into Iraq and Syria.


Face the fact that China is not so much a country in the way that we see it, as a coexisting group of people, but more as a bunch of companies and political bosses under the umbrella and ideology of communism, but that is just a jacket someone wears, and right now that is the jacket in China.



But you mess with the real power there, and its not like it would be handled if you arrest a private citizen. its more like arresting a state governor or the vice president. And the reaction is a state reaction to protect the state, and not a corporate or diplomatic effort.
 
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Im ok with China war
They steal too much tech from us and then play dumb
Who meeee

And those ****ing man made islands
 
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But you mess with the real power there, and its not like it would be handled if you arrest a private citizen. its more like arresting a state governor or the vice president. And the reaction is a state reaction to protect the state, and not a corporate or diplomatic effort.
^this. This is exactly why I made this thread.

The ChiComs have high ranking government officials in all their major companies, making sure those companies work for the Communist Chinese. Arresting a CEO of a large company is like arresting a state official.

If the US really wanted to get to the bottom of this, they would be arresting Israelis that take our technology and sell it to China but NOOOO... that would be antisemitic.
 
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I think it's a valid reaction from the Chinese government.

It's pretty horse**** that the US can have jurisdiction on a case that happened outside the US, involving non-US persons and non-US companies.

Guess anyone going to north america can get snatched up by the govt now
America: World Police. Welcome to becoming a Libertarian.
 
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its not the Russians or chinese being bad actors!

ITS THE JEWS!
 
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